Return-Path: Received: (qmail 10635 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 12:12:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 2 May 2001 12:12:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 21496 invoked from network); 2 May 2001 12:11:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 2 May 2001 12:11:39 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14uvM3-0000fO-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2001 13:03:39 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14uvM0-0000fH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2001 13:03:36 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.44] (helo=gemini) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14uvLU-00064M-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2001 13:03:04 +0100 Message-ID: <2264.200105021203@gemini> From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 13:03:28 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Re: Wolf tests X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Thanks for the reports on the Wolf-mode signals - I hope this was useful. I put in the 3 minute bursts of carrier partly so that people who can receive the signal at relatively good strength could use the Wolf -m option to calibrate the frequency offset in their receivers. The frequency should have been correct within 0.01Hz. Also, it enables the more DX stations to check the signal is present using a spectrogram type program as I2PHD has done. As Mike says, it is useful to have a spectrogram of the signal available when recording the .wav files, which is one reason why I use Spectrum Lab to make the recordings. I find that if the BPSK signal is visible on the spectrogram at all, it will usually decode within the first 1 or 2 frames. I have done some rough comparative tests of the relative sensitivity of Wolf and QRSS - A signal level that Wolf reliably decodes in 15 - 20 minutes requires about 60 second dots to be readable in QRSS mode. Obviously, a stronger signal can use shorter dots, and Wolf will decode it more quickly. It should be pointed out that the nature of the noise may make a significant difference to the relative performance of the two modes. However, it looks like Wolf offers a significant saving in time, which is why I am interested in it. A QRSS signal gives a visible trace when it is several dB too weak to be actually copied, while with Wolf, you can only sure a signal is being received by being able to copy it correctly. In my opinion, this makes the QRSS modes better for beacon operation, where it is only neccessary to identify and assess the strength of the signal, and very little actual information has to be transmitted. This means there is no great disadvantage in the slow speed of QRSS, and it has the advantages of flexibility and simpler equipment. However, for 2 way communications, the slow speed of QRSS is an extreme limitation, and a development of Wolf might be a solution. I also tried to copy VA3LK's beacon signals last night, but no results - the QRN level was very high, so not suprising. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU