Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25024 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 15:02:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by extortion.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 15:02:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 17921 invoked from network); 3 Jan 2001 15:05:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 3 Jan 2001 15:05:27 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14DpNG-00023Z-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:58:46 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14DpNC-00023U-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:58:42 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from [147.197.200.44] (helo=gemini) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14DpKH-00078B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:55:41 +0000 Message-ID: <22429.200101031458@gemini> From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:02:03 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: Frequency stability, loops X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear LF Group, Regarding frequency stability - for a long time for QRSS I used simple VFOs, both for transmit, and in my homebrew RX. It was easy to achieve TX stability within a few Hz using the VFO, provided the temperature didn't vary too wildly; the main requirement is just that your signal frequency does not drift into someone else's, or a Loran line, carrier, etc. so a few Hz is adequate. It is easy to keep an eye on the spectrogram display to make sure this is not happening, and make manual adjustments if neccessary - of course, much finer tuning adjustment is required compared to normal CW. The exact frequency is not important, because it is easy to monitor 100Hz or more of bandwidth at the receive end. Having said that, some truly dreadful VFO's have appeared on the air from time to time! The mixer-VXO circuits seem to be somewhat better than VFO's in terms of stability and are perfectly adequate for most things. On receive, stability is even less important - the frequency has to drift many Hz per minute to make any difference from the sensitivity viewpoint, and this isn't hard to achieve. Drift just results in a bit of a slant on the spectrogram display. I once tried an old HRO on 136kHz, and once warmed up, stability wasn't too bad for QRSS. Selectivity left a lot to be desired, though, so I wouldn't recommend it. Provided you don't mind checking and adjusting the TX and RX frequencies every few minutes, QRSS operating with 3s per dot can be done with crude equipment. Longer dot lengths, or long-term monitoring, requires something a bit better, but any synthesised or crystal controlled equipment should be adequate. My experience of BPSK is currently very limited - but using a locally generated signal with reasonable SNR, VE2IQ's "Coherent" software seems to cope with a 1Hz frequency error without much trouble, but 2Hz is too great, when using the MS100, 10 bit-per- second data rate. As Andy points out, it isn't hard to get better stability than this. The 1 in 10e-7 level of stability seems to be more or less standard for the ovened references that are getting cheaper in surplus test gear available at rallies and so on. This should be OK for 1 bit-per-second BPSK speeds at LF - the main problems seem to be knowing what frequency to tune to in the first place, and the fact that the HF gear that normally gets pressed into service wasn't really conceived with such narrow tuning resolution in mind. And loops- A receiving loop has it's own intrinsic signal to noise ratio that, for a small loop, depends on the unloaded Q. Noise in the loop arises from the thermal noise produced by the resistive losses. The higher the unloaded Q, the greater the available signal power, while the noise power stays the same. However, the overall system signal to noise ratio depends very much on the type of circuit the loop is connected to - the optimum matching for a particular receiver input may or may not significantly alter the Q. The FET preamps used tend to give their lowest noise figures when fed from a high source impedance, and have a high input impedance themselves, so don't significantly reduce the Q. This is not generally true of other input circuits. A low impedance input circuit will almost certainly acheive it's best SNR using matching where the loaded Q is significantly lower than the unloaded Q. The loaded Q therefore does not directly control the signal to noise ratio. It is not easy to say what will give the best results, because receiver input circuits vary, and their input impedance is likely to be anything except 50ohms, especially at LF. But usually obtaining the highest possible SNR is not that important, because it is fairly easy to make the antenna/preamp noise less than the external noise, of which there is plenty at LF, with reasonably sized loops. G3LNP's design deliberately degrades the Q to give a wider bandwidth, and eliminate the need for remote tuning. Another reason why you might not want the highest possible Q is that a high Q loop is more easily de-tuned, for example by rain or movement. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU