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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Hi All, NEVER connect a domestic PME 'earth' to ANYTHING 'earthed' outdoors. In reality it is a 'neutral' that's part of the 3 phase current carrying circuits. It's extremely risky, highly illegal, and puts you and your equipment at risk. In the event of any accident or fire, your life and insurance will automatically be void. DON'T do it, Regards, David. 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I= n reality it is a 'neutral' that's part of the 3 phase current carrying=20 circuits. It's extremely risky, highly illegal,=C2=A0and puts you and your equipment = at risk. In the event of any accident or fire, your life and insurance=C2= =A0 will automatically be void. DON'T do it,=20 Regards, David. From: Andy Talbot To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Cc: rsgb_lf_group Sent: Monday, 30 October 2017, 22:21 Subject: Re: LF: Encouragement =20 If you have a PME system, your ground is probably quite good.=C2=A0=C2=A0Do= n't under estimate the value of using your mains earth if you have to. 'jnt | | Virus-free. www.avg.com | On 30 October 2017 at 21:35, Roger Lapthorn wrote= : If anyone needs convincing that getting on 630m is easier than you think pl= ease take heart from my results.=20 In the last 2 weeks I have received 31 unique WSPR spots from as far away a= s Norway. Measured ERP is around 10mW.=C2=A0 The antenna and ground? The co= ax to my 2m big-wheel which is about 0.5m above ground for about half its l= ength. At its highest it is about 4m over ground. The total coax run is les= s than 10m. The only grounds are a mains earth and one earth rod about 10m = from the shack.=C2=A0 My ATU is a multi-tapped ferrite rod on the desk. My = transverter is my simple design in "LF Today". Although I tried calling CQ on 630m FT8 earlier this evening, sadly I got n= o response. Another evening I'll be more successful. Earlier I saw a weak F= T8 trace. 630m is for all!=C2=A0 BTW, my noise floor is S7. Not the DX of the "big boys", but fun. Ultimately this is why we are in our= hobby. 73sRoger G3XBM =20 ------=_Part_11171297_990719972.1509403012456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi All,

NEVER conn= ect a domestic PME 'earth' to ANYTHING 'earthed' outdoor= s. In reality it is a 'neutral' that's part of the 3 phase current carrying=

circuits.

It's = extremely risky, highly illegal, and puts you and your equipment at ri= sk. In the event of any accident or fire, your life and insurance 

will automat= ically be void.

DON'T do it,

Regards, David.

= From: Andy Talbot <andy.g4j= nt@gmail.com>
To: r= sgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Cc: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, 30 October 2017, 22= :21
Subject: Re: LF: E= ncouragement

If you have a PME system, y= our ground is probably quite good.  
Don't under estimate the value of using your mains eart= h if you have to.

<= /div>
'jnt

=09 =09=09 =09
Virus-free. <= a style=3D"color:#4453ea;" href=3D"http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_m= edium=3Demail&utm_source=3Dlink&utm_campaign=3Dsig-email&utm_co= ntent=3Dwebmail" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">www.avg.com =09=09

On 30 October = 2017 at 21:35, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
If anyone n= eeds convincing that getting on 630m is easier than you think please take h= eart from my results.

In the last 2 weeks I have = received 31 unique WSPR spots from as far away as Norway. Measured ERP is a= round 10mW.  The antenna and ground? The coax to my 2m big-wheel which= is about 0.5m above ground for about half its length. At its highest it is= about 4m over ground. The total coax run is less than 10m. The only ground= s are a mains earth and one earth rod about 10m from the shack.  My AT= U is a multi-tapped ferrite rod on the desk. My transverter is my simple de= sign in "LF Today".

Although I tried calling CQ on= 630m FT8 earlier this evening, sadly I got no response. Another evening I'= ll be more successful. Earlier I saw a weak FT8 trace.

=
630m is for all!  BTW, my noise floor is S7.

=
Not the DX of the "big boys", but fun. Ultimately this is why we are i= n our hobby.

73s
Roger G3XBM
<= br>



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