Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A6CF7380000CC; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 15:23:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1U7Akc-0006ou-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:22:18 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1U7Akb-0006ol-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:22:17 +0000 Received: from smtpout4.wanadoo.co.uk ([80.12.242.68] helo=smtpout.wanadoo.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1U7AkZ-0005NL-DC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:22:16 +0000 Received: from AGB ([2.26.46.33]) by mwinf5d53 with ME id 1YMt1l01D0ixAQ203YMufB; Sun, 17 Feb 2013 21:21:54 +0100 Message-ID: <2097F57D130544A2A0E731393DBD8697@AGB> From: "Graham" To: References: <2282795.WEYH53gDWV@fbox.localdomain> <0739D17A209E4085947C84C3590A8B5F@F6CNIHP> <511FFC06.3090906@psk31.plus.com> ,<5120DE82.3010803@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB72339@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <7E7DFBB4D102A04DB5ADC88D66628A4A0FB72339@ICTS-S-MBX5.luna.kuleuven.be> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2013 20:21:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "relay1.thorcom.net", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. 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Content preview: Any fool can repeat what others say , but a lesser one might repeat the whole text So , as I posted , ''Problem is you cannot up the time to down the s/n as you can on 136 [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [80.12.242.68 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 81978068c3ed22c636bd574cc661f8bd Subject: Re: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0146_01CE0D4C.6D10B490" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONT_BIG, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d751213c30331f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01CE0D4C.6D10B490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Any fool can repeat what others say , but a lesser one might = repeat the whole text =20 So , as I posted ,=20 ''Problem is you cannot up the time to down the s/n as you can = on 136=20 I have seen MW UK/VK dx using carrier detection just behind the = gray line , that would need a 100% carrier running for may be = 2 hours round that time , but the window is not too big , may be = , 15/ 30 mins ? =20 no chance for any qrss/data , just a trace in the sand ? '' Problem is you cannot up the time to down the s/n as you can on = 136 , >>> True ?=20 Its possible to observe signals from VK on MF >>.. Ture ? time window small >> ture ? Special set up long carrier (rx) ? >> ture ? Observed signal very low out side data >> true ? so what particular point is worth repeating concern ? =20 G.. From: Rik Strobbe=20 Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:54 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; Dale Hughes=20 Subject: RE: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on 630m Hi Stefan, in 1923 wrote Paul Godley (call 2ZE): The amateur is a fool: ignoring = that something is impossible, he makes it happen. Maybe little has changed since then ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T BTW i want to remember what was written here last tuesday: Am 12.02.2013 00:30, schrieb Graham:=20 [...] =20 no chance for any qrss/data , just a trace in the sand ? G.. Your results demonstrate once again that it is always worth to try what = seems to be impossible! :-) Am 17.02.2013 13:08, schrieb Andr=E9 Guy=E9:=20 What about the use of long period of TXing, as WSPR15 or QRSS ? For = this very long path, I think that the opening duration time is too short = for that use ? Well first it would be interesting to get some informatiuons about = Dale's TX system. And if normal WSPR-2 decoded, then QRSS-10 should be = possible as well.=20 WSPR-15 may take to long, the opening times are quite short, as you say. = But anyway, this opens a new field for experiments. Of course it is = worth to transmit during the time that path is open! And it is good that = the WSPR "dial" frequency in VK is different to ours, so we already have = splitted bands for RXing and TXing here in EU and VK. Now, as Dale said to me in a mail, one spot is not sufficient to valid = that. Why not? If you say that you didn't use a WEBSDR or other tricks, and = got a decode. Where should the information in the WSPR window come from, = if not trough the RF radiated in VK?=20 Again, my best congratulations to this impressing result!! 73, Stefan7DK7FC ------=_NextPart_000_0146_01CE0D4C.6D10B490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any fool  can repeat  what  = others =20 say  , but a lesser one  might  repeat the  = whole =20 text  
 
So  , as  I posted ,
 
''Problem is  you  cannot  up the  time  = to =20 down the  s/n as  you can  on 136
 
I have seen  MW  UK/VK  dx using  carrier  = detection  just  behind the  gray  line , that  = would  need  a  100%  carrier running  = for =20 may  be  2  hours  round  that  time  = , but=20 the  window is  not too  big , may be  , 15/ 30 mins = ?  
no chance  for  any qrss/data   , just a trace = in=20 the  sand  ? ''
 
 
 
Problem is  you  cannot  up the  time  = to =20 down the  s/n as  you can  on 136 , >>> True ?=20
Its possible to   observe  signals   = from  VK=20 on MF   >>.. Ture ?
time  window  small   >> ture ?
Special  set up long carrier   (rx)  ? >> =  ture  ?
Observed signal  very low out side  data >> =  true=20 ?
 
so  what  particular point  is  worth =   =20 repeating concern ? 
 
 
G..
 
 
 

From: Rik Strobbe
Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:54 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ; Dale = Hughes=20
Subject: RE: LF: VK1DSH reception in France WSPR 2 on=20 630m

Hi Stefan,

 

in 1923 wrote Paul Godley = (call=20 2ZE): The amateur is a=20 fool: ignoring that something = is=20 impossible, he makes it=20 happen.

 

Maybe little=20 has changed since then = ;-)

 

73, Rik  ON7YD - = OR7T


BTW i want to remember what=20 was written here last tuesday:
Am = 12.02.2013=20 00:30, schrieb Graham:=20
[...] =20 =
no chance  for  any= =20 qrss/data   , just a trace in = the  sand  ?
 
=
G..

Your results demon= strate once again that it= =20 is always worth=20 to try what seems to be=20 impossible! :-)


Am 17.02.2013 = 13:08, schrieb Andr=E9=20 Guy=E9:=20
What about=20 the use of long period of TXing,=20 as WSPR15 or QRSS ?=20 For this very long path,=20 I think that the opening duration = time=20 is too = short for that use=20 = ?

Well first=  it would be interesting = to get some informatiuons about<= A> Dale's TX=20 system. And if normal WSPR-2=20 decoded, then QRSS-10 should&n= bsp;be possible=20 as well. 
WSPR-15 may take = to=20 long, the opening times are quite short,=20 as you say. But = anyway, this=20 opens a new field for experiments.=20 Of course it is worth=20 to transmit during the=20 time that path is open! And it=20 is good that the WSPR=20 "dial" frequency in VK is different to=20 ours, so we already = have splitted=20 bands for RXing = and TXing here=20 in EU and VK.

 

Now,=20 as Dale said to me in a mail, one = spot=20 is not sufficient to valid=20 that.

Why=20 not? If you say that you didn't use=20 a WEBSDR or other tricks,=20 and got a = decode. Where should=20 the information in=20 the WSPR window come=20 from, if not trough=20 the RF radiated in VK?=20



Again, my = best congratulations=20 to this impressing result!!

73,=20 Stefan7DK7FC
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