Return-Path: Received: (qmail 1222 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 17:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 17:04:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 11686 invoked from network); 19 Apr 2001 17:04:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 19 Apr 2001 17:04:19 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14qHjE-00061j-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:56:24 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14qHjA-00061e-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:56:20 +0100 Received: from [147.197.200.44] (helo=gemini) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #4) id 14qHii-00034b-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:55:52 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: <20827.200104191655@gemini> From: "James Moritz" Organization: University of Hertfordshire To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 17:56:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: WOLF tests, soundcard trouble, VE2IQ interface In-reply-to: <003e01c0c800$0d3eab60$0700000a@parissn2> X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Dear Brian, Stewart, LF group, Thank you Brian for the report - the 30mW ERP signal was generated with abt 120W into my inverted L at 8m height. I will put the beacon on again tonight, starting at 2000utc, this time with 30mW ERP for an hour, then going down to 10mW ERP. I checked the sample rate errors of my soundcard - on 8000samples/sec this is about -5600ppm and on 11025samples/sec it is +2000ppm. So a lot bigger than likely errors due to crystal tolerance, for some reason. I have been looking at the clock crystal frequencies in all the soundcards I could find - the older ones had all sorts of different frequencies, most of which had no obvious integer relationship with popular sample rates. Quite a few used 14.31818 MHz, 46.61512 was popular too. Some had 2 or 3 crystals, one had none at all. The newer ones have mostly 24.576MHz crystals - this seems to be the norm for the AC '97 standard based soundcards which Alberto mentioned recently, which seem to be universal now. I found some data on 3 types of "audio codec" A/D and D/A which I saw, which conform to this standard: Sigmatel STAC9721T http://www.sigmatel.com/technical_docs.htm#9721 Crystal CS4201 http://207.87.22.21/design/products/overview/index.cfm?ProductID =138 Analog Devices AD1818 http://www.analog.com/techsupt/application_notes/EE_notes/pdf_fil es/ee_54.pdf Although 48k seems to be the basic sample rate of the standard, they all have hardware support for the popular sampling rates such as 11.025k. However they do it in different ways, eg. the Sigmatel A/D converter always runs at 48k and converts the sample rate digitally, while the AD1818 seems to have a synthesiser that can tune between 7k and 48k samples/s in 1 sample/sec steps. This is all very interesting, but probably means that frequency oddities will continue to be a feature of soundcards. For VE2IQ's "Coherent" software, I have one of G4JNT's PIC- based interfaces - this performs the same function as the original VE2IQ interface, but is rather simpler, having just the PIC, a 5V regulator, and an audio preamp. It certainly seems to work perfectly well, and the crystal can easily be tweaked. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU