Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1233; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u3BAFCJW005784 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:15:13 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1apYny-0002PJ-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:10:50 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1apYnx-0002P6-FP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:10:49 +0100 Received: from rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.182]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1apYnv-0006Ih-Qq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:10:48 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 81.152.79.211 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090204.570B7827.000A,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=38/50,refid=2.7.2:2016.3.23.135116:17:38.936,ip=81.152.79.211,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_WWW, __CP_NOT_1, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, __FORWARDED_MSG, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_2000_2999, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[211.79.152.81.fur], HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, __PHISH_SPEAR_STRUCTURE_1, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS, NO_URI_HTTPS X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (81.152.79.211) by rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 56EAE9F102C5F79E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:10:28 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1460369429; bh=aDJ3PEdsN6io76iTaOoOsXqcbOExCUoqdqlPS75q1VQ=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=AKczqFhvEOwzCq389aKY6pIQX9DGZoRP/IpBJr9UUX1NwiNAs6k2O+1yYDCKADmfgeEFUeNJugHDUW0E8Qx9DlL8T7ifT5w7q+s+tL8AI660UW3E1nPHpbN/QECMOK/z2uh78EvBUM4/MTqVhgQf4pnXW3ffFYRozTAUtVHDipY= Message-ID: <2025D63622D3474489049C563BA6B7AB@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <570A7631.5050001@lineone.net> <570B6F37.8060402@lineone.net> Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 11:10:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: d7fcd9b75df8d1b09ddef9df028bd9ae Subject: Re: LF: Re: Screening an LF Loading Coil Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7650 Hi Hugh,mmm that is quite a lot. Thinking of the copper lined tuning huts Decca and Orfordness I guess the keg should be grounded. ?? Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "LineOne" To: Sent: Monday, April 11, 2016 10:32 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Screening an LF Loading Coil > Thank you Alan, the location inside makes your suggested spacing, > suspended and spaced on fibreglass rods. It needs more Tx testing as a few > brief reception reports were about 5dB down but that was probably > "propagation" conditions. > > Hugh. > > On 10/04/2016 17:04, Alan Melia wrote: >> Hi Hugh I think the rule of thumb (or at least the one I use) is that the >> lowest turn should be at least half the coil diamter from the screen base >> (which if too close will exhibit the properties of a shorted turn) and >> the diameter of the screen should be at least twice the diameter of the >> coil....more is better, but....... >> >> I think that should be OK with your coil size supported in the middle of >> the keg, Hope you had the pleasure of emptying it :-)) >> >> Alan >> G3NYK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "LineOne" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2016 4:50 PM >> Subject: LF: Screening an LF Loading Coil >> >> >>> A few years ago I found an aluminium beer keg which had been used for >>> mixing cement. As it was damaged it was no good returning it to the >>> brewery so I have just moved my LF loading coil into it and placed the >>> assembly outside on a corrugated steel roof. (Having the coil suspended >>> from the shack ceiling was not a good idea for the long term). >>> >>> I took the end off the keg, which is 370mm internal diameter, and the >>> coil is on a 130 mm former, likely to be no more than 160mm diameter >>> wound. The antenna is predominantly current fed so no voltage larger >>> than about 3kV is present. >>> >>> Has anyone tried this and am I likely to lose radiated power by reducing >>> the Q of the coil, the Tx output voltage and current are just the same? >>> >>> Hugh, M0DSZ >>> >> >> >> > >