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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan, with greatest respect, none of my radio activities are illegal. They don't need to be. It's illegal in the UK to use ANY public or other supply, motorway, railway and other utility infrastruct [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.176.98 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [77.238.176.98 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (evad_hine[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: c3a0d80882a29f438f57a981c7a65fcd Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_17492550_1977190557.1547024300893" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.2 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_17492550_1977190557.1547024300893 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Stefan, with greatest respect, none of my radio activities are illegal. The= y don't need to be. It's illegal in the UK to use ANY public or other suppl= y, motorway, railway and other utility infrastructure for connecting to unk= nown radio equipment. It must be the same in Germany too. That's in the 'sm= all print'. Modern digital signalling is often very susceptible to RF inter= ference.=C2=A0=C2=A0If it's on private land, the permission of that land ow= ner must first be granted.It's all common sense -would you like anyone to c= reep into your back yard and erect an antenna without your permission?? This sort of activity damages Amateur and experimental radio. NOV licences = can be obtained, if you think you need to do special or unusual radio resea= rches. I bet you dare not ask your local authority if you can use public road guid= e rails for transmitting antennas -if you have, and they granted full permi= ssion, then you have made a real advancement in radio. Ask your Radio Socie= ty what they think about this.=C2=A0 I am not trying to be difficult, but you risk your radio licence and also r= isk jail if things go badly wrong on a public highway or railway due to ill= icit use in this way, and also the reputation of other Radio Amateurs. You = also 'put yourself 'in the frame' if an accident occurs that you did not ca= use -someone has to 'carry the can', and it could be you if a camera 'spott= ed'=C2=A0 you. The 'utilities' display trespass notices, which if you ignor= e, makes it extremely easy for them to say "See you in court!!".With very k= ind regards, David Hine =C2=A0=C2=A0 From: DK7FC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 7:25 Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA =20 Ooh you seem to be one of the experts when it comes to 'Do not' and'forbidd= en'. Do you at least know why your (whole?) life is controlledby fears? Pos= ttraumatic symptoms of a very dictatorial, violentchildhood? I hope you wor= ked that out. Try to lead yourselfe by ideas and visions, by 'want to' or 'would liketo',= not by fear and 'must not', 'have to', 'should' and 'should not'.=20 Also i clearly see you didn't follow the recent successes withguide-rail an= tennas on VLF and ULF, probably because you're tyrelesslyworking on your 'T= esla' TX antenna: Am 10.02.2018 18:30, schrieb David Hine: I will alsoset up a broadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave broad= castingband (LF), using it to transmit music as a testing programme. When = it'sall up and running on VLF / LF, I will put out various test signalsusin= g it, and join in the VLF 'fun'. That's almost a year ago. Now, where is the signal? W H E R E ?? Let'scompa= re which antenna works better. The grabbers are watching. 73, Stefan Am 08.01.2019 23:44, schrieb David Hine: Do not be tempted touse railway lines, motorway barriers, fences etc. for= connection toradio transmitters. This is strictly forbidden, and=C2=A0=20 if caught, you couldend up in jail plus a huge fine. These structures all= make rubbishantennas for VLF, so will never perform well, as=C2=A0=20 the losses areextremely high, and so will never radiate a useful VLF sign= al. Never betempted use any public 'infrastructure' as an=C2=A0=20 antenna -it just doesnot work, and will be a waste of effort.=C2=A0=20 Regards,David Hine=20 =20 From: DK7FC To:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, 8January 2019, 22:26 Subject: VLF: GOTA =20 Hi VLF, =20 You probablyknow: =20 IOTA - Islands On The Air =20 SOTA -Summits On The Air =20 but did you know =20 GOTA - Guide-rails On The Air ??!! =20 The year 2019 should be the year of GOTA! Try it out.You can do it! No=20 excuses like problems with the large coils, the highvoltages, the XYL=20 occupying the garden. Just go out, take a walk, andsee what you can do=20 with some wire and a transmitter and some otherequipment! :-) =20 73, Stefan =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_17492550_1977190557.1547024300893 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Stefan, with g= reatest respect, none of my radio activities are illegal. They don't need t= o be. It's illegal in the UK to use ANY public or other supply, motorway, r= ailway and other utility infrastructure for connecting to unknown radio equ= ipment. It must be the same in Germany too. That's in the 'small print'. Mo= dern digital signalling is often very susceptible to RF interference. =
 If it's on pri= vate land, the permission of that land owner must first be granted.
It's all common sense -would= you like anyone to creep into your back yard and erect an antenna without = your permission??
This sort of activi= ty damages Amateur and experimental radio. NOV licences can be obtained, if= you think you need to do special or unusual radio researches.

I bet you dare not ask your local authority if yo= u can use public road guide rails for transmitting antennas -if you have, a= nd they granted full permission, then you have made a real advancement in r= adio. Ask your Radio Society what they think about this. 

I am not trying to be difficult, but you risk you= r radio licence and also risk jail if things go badly wrong on a public hig= hway or railway due to illicit use in this way, and also the reputation of = other Radio Amateurs. You also 'put yourself 'in the frame' if an accident = occurs that you did not cause -someone has to 'carry the can', and it could= be you if a camera 'spotted'  you. The 'utilities' display trespass n= otices, which if you ignore, makes it extremely easy for them to say "See y= ou in court!!".
With = very kind regards, David Hine

 &= nbsp;


From: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2= 019, 7:25
Subject: Re:= VLF: GOTA

Ooh you seem to be one of the experts when it comes to 'Do not' and 'forbidden'. Do you at least know why your (whole?) life is controlled by fears? Posttraumatic symptoms of a very dictatorial, violent childhood? I hope you worked that out.
Try to lead yourselfe by ideas and visions, by 'want to' or 'would like to', not by fear and 'must not', 'have to', 'should' and 'should not'.

Also i clearly see you didn't follow the recent successes with guide-rail antennas on VLF and ULF, probably because you're tyrelessly working on your 'Tesla' TX antenna:

Am 10.02.2018 18:30, schrieb David Hine:
I will also set up a broadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave broadcasting band (LF), using it to transmit music as a testing programme.
When it's all up and running on VLF / LF, I will put out various test signals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'.

That's almost a year ago. Now, where is the signal? W H E R E ?? Let's compare which antenna works better. The grabbers are watching.


73, Stefan



Am 08.01.2019 23:44, schrieb David Hine:
Do not be t= empted to use railway lines, motorway barriers, fences etc. for connection to radio transmitters. This is strictly forbidden, and 

if caught, = you could end up in jail plus a huge fine. These structures all make rubbish antennas for VLF, so will never perform well, as 

the losses = are extremely high, and so will never radiate a useful VLF signal. Never be tempted use any public 'infrastructure' as an 

antenna -it= just does not work, and will be a waste of effort. 

Regards, David Hine




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