Return-Path: Received: from mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.74]) by air-da10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDA102-861a4d3985612d0; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:08:49 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 8D373380000B4; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 08:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PgGiC-0004W2-K1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:07:32 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PgGiC-0004Vt-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:07:32 +0000 Received: from smtp-out08.email.it ([212.97.34.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PgGi8-0004uW-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 13:07:32 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp-out08.email.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD6B3C023 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:07:26 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at email.it Received: from smtp-out08.email.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp-out08.email.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id KJdlxpVqNzta for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:07:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from dialup-62-11-233-199.clienti.tiscali.it (dialup-62-11-233-199.clienti.tiscali.it [62.11.233.199]) by smtp-out08.email.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA27AC007 for ; Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:07:25 +0100 (CET) From: Claudio Pozzi To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:12:18 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <4D36FF68.2060009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4D36FF68.2060009@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201101201912.18820.smtp01@email.it> X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=0.881 Subject: Re: LF: Pic or Atmel? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24, FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404a4d39855f6ef5 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) On Wednesday 19 January 2011 16:12, Stefan Sch=E4fer wrote: > Dear group, especially Andy/G4JNT, > > Maybe a little out of topic but very useful for LF/VLF devices: > Programming microcontrollers. > > Before some years i worked with some PIC controllers, assembler. But in > the German ham radio newspaper you rather find circuit examples > programmed on an Atmel device. Now i want to buy some software and > programming devices for microcontrollers and asking myselfe what i > should choose, Pic or Atmel. Maybe its a question like Windows or Linux? > ;-) > > My question would be what is the difference and the > advantages/disadvantages. Is there a preferred device for practical > purposes? I used both, 16Fxxx PIC series and ATMEL ATMEGA series. PIC require assembly programming for best performance and require also an= =20 hardware programmer. ATMEL can be programmed in standard C/C++ language; AVR C compiler is GNU= open=20 source for Windows, Linux and MAC OS, and provide long integer and also=20 floating point. You can also generate intermediate assembly source from C= and=20 C++ source and you can write interrupt driven functions in C. See this URL http://www.arduino.cc many cheap development board, open source hardware, need only USB connecti= on=20 with PC. Edit program, compile, upload and test. Many clones with some lit= tle=20 differences. In my opinion the hardware is good, the development environment not so goo= d=20 but it's open source and all library sources are useful. Last: with PIC 16Fxxx is easy to make a 40 MHz frequency meter, with AT ME= GA=20 xxx it's impossible without external HW, so... I use both but I prefer=20 ATMEL ;-) 73' Claudio, IK2PII --=20 Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii =20 =20 =20 -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP= autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f =20 Sponsor: Apri Conto Corrente Arancio entro il 28 febbraio 2011 e ricevi 100 euro= da spendere su Media World compra online. Aprilo adesso! Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=11251&d!-1