Return-Path: Received: from mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.74.212]) by air-dc10.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDC104-86a84ce301eb360; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:12:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 94F4B3800011A; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 17:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PITk3-0003Z9-LH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:11:07 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PITk2-0003Yu-SL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:11:06 +0000 Received: from lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net ([195.173.77.149]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PITk0-00032V-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:11:06 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by lon1-post-2.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.69) id 1PITjz-0006Ss-bI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:11:03 +0000 Received: from opc1 (opc1.twatt.home [192.168.21.16]) by svr3.twatt.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E4B11BE7F for ; Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:11:03 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:11:02 +0000 From: John GM4SLV To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20101116221102.02753be7@opc1> In-Reply-To: <4CE00B43.6070706@o2.ie> References: <4CDEC5B8.17075.79A05A@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <4CDF089E.4090604@gmx.de> <4CDFBCBE.5787.60D7DE@mike.dennison.ntlworld.com> <2BE70532063C4C12A0E3AD8515E27D57@White> <002d01cb83f5$f4842c00$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> <007301cb8405$5dc7a8e0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CE00B43.6070706@o2.ie> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.7.6 (GTK+ 2.22.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Eu QRSS freq.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44ce301e2090f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 16:16:03 +0000 Tony wrote: > There would have been one more newcomer active by now Mal, but when I > first posted on this forum I was ridiculed when I asked what sort of > wire was suitable for a LF aerial. > Then I was told that I would be wasting my time if I didn't have 100 > foot vertical towers and run a KW++, so rather than waste my time as > there is no way I can get away with tall towers... I gave up. > Now back (mostly) on the civilised bands above 10m. > > Tony, EI8JK. Tony, Please reconsider trying again on MF. There is much scope for experimenting and everything you learn is personal to you. You don't have to stroke the ego of those who (think they) know everything and (think they) have done everything. I've recently been trying some real low power WSPR (milliwatt ERP over a range of almost 2000km), plus 100mW ERP to the USA as well as "proper" CW QSOs with OK/PA/G/SM/LA. My antenna is 8m high, with 4 sloping guy wires as extra capacity. Very small, as these things go. I draw my own conclusions from what I do, what succeeds and what doesn't. This is the point of experimenting. The purpose isn't really to have lots of QSOs and repeating ad-nauseum "it is ah-raining-not" - it's to enjoy yourself, think of some new scheme/test/theory, try it out, think about the results and continue the process. Go on, give it a a go And as for wire - the copper kind works okay - hi! John GM4SLV Shetland Is