Return-Path: Received: from mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.12]) by air-mc03.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMC034-a8de4cc5f479af; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:19:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-di08.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id E66D3380000CA; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PAUQu-0001t2-5O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:18:20 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PAUQt-0001st-Jk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:18:19 +0100 Received: from denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl ([130.89.10.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PAUQr-00078d-Rh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:18:19 +0100 Received: from ewi1614.cs.utwente.nl (ewi1614.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.11.244]) by denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id o9PLI5bN005323 for ; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:18:05 +0200 (MEST) Received: by ewi1614.cs.utwente.nl (Postfix, from userid 651) id 708B73F9024C; Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:18:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:18:07 +0200 From: Pieter-Tjerk de Boer To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20101025211807.GA17136@cs.utwente.nl> Mail-Followup-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4CC05B8F.2030406@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1237369649.1611432.1287678227104.JavaMail.fmail@mwmweb077> <4CC070EA.30703@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4CC1C2EF.8080007@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <20101022205043.GA9572@cs.utwente.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20101022205043.GA9572@cs.utwente.nl> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) X-Spam-Score: -3.012 () ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,J_CHICKENPOX_22,J_CHICKENPOX_23 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.52 on 130.89.10.11 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0rc3 (denhaag.ewi.utwente.nl [130.89.10.11]); Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:18:15 +0200 (MEST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: VLF: DK7FC's 8th VLF kite experiment Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d400c4cc5f4772f53 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello all, Very nice that Stefan's VLF signals were received in lots of places! Unfortunately, his signals were not seen on the grabber that I installed at the University of Twente's WebSDR (in the Netherlands, JO32KF). Analysis of the recording made during last Saturday revealed two problems: 1) A software/timing issue that caused some data from the soundcard to be dropped every now and then, due to the high CPU load on this computer. When listening live (e.g. to SAQ on Sunday), this is notable as annoying ticks in the sound, but when trying to integrate the signal over a long time, such interruptions of the data are fatal. 2) Much funnier: when listening to the recording, I heard some speech- and music-like sounds, especially when tuning to 0 kHz USB, i.e., just listening directly to the signal as delivered by the antenna. In the end, the sound turns out to be the Dutch radio station 'Q-music', broadcasting on 100.7 MHz FM! There is an FM broadcast station (with 3 transmitters of several kW each) on the chimney of the same university building where our radio club (and thus the WebSDR) is, and we often have problems with these strong signals getting into our equipment. Apparently my VLF active loop antenna also acts as a VHF antenna and demodulator. The demodulator presumably is slope detection, with the loop resonating near 100 MHz, since its (electrical) circumference is about 3 m. Some decoupling capacitors should cure this... Last week we tried to install the loop antenna outdoors on the roof, hoping to get a lower noise floor there than indoors, but instead found the noise floor much higher outdoors. I now guess that that was also due to the strong FM broadcast signals. Oh well, I'll fix these problems before Stefan's next attempt... 73, Pieter-Tjerk, PA3FWM