Return-Path: Received: from mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.207]) by air-mf09.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMF091-8bf94b5b0410249; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:13:36 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-de07.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A9EDE3800007A; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 09:13:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgin-0005Vh-BY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NYgim-0005VY-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NYgik-0003Xk-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:12:16 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B5D7B802A for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be [134.58.242.53]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5620731E702 for ; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail6.cc.kuleuven.be (Postfix, from userid 48) id 15E4818056; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from 225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (225.107-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [87.64.107.225]) by webmail6.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 Message-ID: <20100123151204.tm00cc8fmogkc80g@webmail6.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 15:12:04 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <9afca2641001230502q45fb0825n3ee7dca1774c95eb@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 87.64.107.225 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: G3XBM's ERP on 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40cf4b5b040e645c X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Roger, I simulated the antenna based on your description (with MMANA) and the =20 current through the vertical wire seems to be quite constant. So the =20 tophat works well and the effective height will be more or less the =20 physical height. The simulation gives a radiation resistance of 0.074 Ohm, so with 0.12 =20 A a radiated power just over 1mW EMRP (1.75mW ERP). In the real world it will be some dB's less (as Jim stated recently), =20 probably something like 0,5 to 1mW ERP. Very impressive that it covers over 1200km. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting Roger Lapthorn : > All, > > Yesterday I did a recalculation of the G3XBM ERP based on the =20 > classic formula and re-measurements of my antenna current. My =20 > antenna is a 5m long vertical with a spiral top hat of about 7 turns =20 > about 1.5m x 1.5m. Not being clear how to model the top hat I =20 > assumed effective heights of 5, 4 or 3m. The measured antenna =20 > current is 0.12A. > > My results are as follows: > > Assumed effective height 5m ERP =3D 1.53mW > Assumed effective height 4m ERP =3D 0.98mW > Assumed effective height 3m ERP =3D 0.55mW > > So, I believe my 1mW ERP previously calculated is not a bad =20 > estimate, and it may indeed be lower than this figure. > > 73s > Roger G3XBM > -- > > http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ > http://www.g3xbm.co.uk > http://www.youtube.com/user/G3XBM > G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 >