Return-Path: Received: from rly-md10.mx.aol.com (rly-md10.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.148]) by air-md03.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINMD034-92c4b0e43591e5; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:59:12 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-md10.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMD104-92c4b0e43591e5; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:59:07 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NDaAM-0002uA-NT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:57:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NDaAM-0002u1-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:57:30 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NDaAL-0007vg-EM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:57:30 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7BC7B8056 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:57:21 +0100 (CET) Received: from PC_van_Rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-106.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.106]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A229931E702 for ; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:57:21 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:57:29 +0100 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20091126085721.A229931E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: instability on MosFet amps Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_4350009==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_4350009==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Wolf, LF-group, to my experience most FET's are killed by=20 over-voltage (spikes at the drain). Exceeding=20 current or power seems less an item. The voltage spikes are load dependent and thus=20 can be caused by antenna mismatching. A R-C=20 series network from drain to ground is a good remedy. I have played around with class-E PA's are they=20 are very fascinating. But although very simple to=20 build you need at least a good oscilloscope to tune them correctly. On 500kHz I reached 92% for a 100 W PA. Most of=20 the remaining 8% was dissipated in the coils,=20 rather than in the FET, so improving the coils could even raise the effici= ency. But compared to a class D PA I found the class E=20 PA rather sensitive toward load. For a class D PA the main concern about the load=20 (antenna) is that it is resistive (antenna in=20 resonance) and "more or less" 50 Ohm. My class D=20 PA ( 82% efficiency) seems to be happy with any=20 resistive load in the 40-70 Ohm range. The class=20 E PA on the other hand really needed a 50 Ohm resistive load. Regarding split filters: I tested them years ago=20 on 137kHz and found out that they work well but -=20 at least in my case - they were quite pernicious=20 for the PA efficiency that dropped from about 85% to about 75%. I didn't investigate the reason for that (as the=20 R-C networks at the drain solved the spike=20 problem). A wild guess would be that the harmonic=20 power that is reflected by a LPF (but absorbed in=20 a split filter) somehow is "recuperated" in the PA. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 16:25 25/11/2009, you wrote: >Hello group ! >I found that almost all amp configurations=20 >generate harmonics. In case of a homebrewed HF=20 >amp, with a push =96pull design, I had to build=20 >hi-pass filters with a resistive termination, so=20 >called split filters, for each band. Without=20 >dissipating the harmonic energy the stage will=20 >have to cope with excess voltages and thus bury the MosFets . >My last amp stage for the DI2BJ-beacon is=20 >followed by a hi-pass that opens at 750 kcs .=20 >This way the first harmonic and all the higher=20 >ones go into thermal dissipation. >A T-type adjustable low-pass is used to match and reduce harmonics furthe= r. >Have fun de wolf df2py --=====================_4350009==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Wolf, LF-group,

to my experience most FET's are killed by over-voltage (spikes at the drain). Exceeding current or power seems less an item.
The voltage spikes are load dependent and thus can be caused by antenna mismatching. A R-C series network from drain to ground is a good remedy.
I have played around with class-E PA's are they are very fascinating. But although very simple to build you need at least a good oscilloscope to tune them correctly.
On 500kHz I reached 92% for a 100 W PA. Most of the remaining 8% was dissipated in the coils, rather than in the FET, so improving the coils could even raise the efficiency.
But compared to a class D PA I found the class E PA rather sensitive toward load.
For a class D PA the main concern about the load (antenna) is that it is resistive (antenna in resonance) and "more or less" 50 Ohm. My class D PA ( 82% efficiency) seems to be happy with any resistive load in the 40-70 Ohm range. The class E PA on the other hand really needed a 50 Ohm resistive load.

Regarding split filters: I tested them years ago on 137kHz and found out that they work well but - at least in my case - they were quite pernicious for the PA efficiency that dropped from about 85% to about 75%.
I didn't investigate the reason for that (as the R-C networks at the drain solved the spike problem). A wild guess would be that the harmonic power that is reflected by a LPF (but absorbed in a split filter) somehow is "recuperated" in the PA.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T




At 16:25 25/11/2009, you wrote:
Hello group !
I found that almost all amp configurations generate harmonics. In case of a homebrewed HF amp, with a push =96pull design, I had to build hi-pass filters with a resistive termination, so called split filters, for each band. Without dissipating the harmonic energy the stage will have to cope with excess voltages and thus bury the MosFets .
My last amp stage for the DI2BJ-beacon is followed by a hi-pass that opens at 750 kcs . This way the first harmonic and all the higher ones go into thermal dissipation.
A T-type adjustable low-pass is used to match and reduce harmonics further.
Have fun            = ;         de wolf  df2py
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