Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Received: from rly-me10.mx.aol.com (rly-me10.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.44]) by air-me04.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME041-9e349d46e6615; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:51:13 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me10.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME107-9e349d46e6615; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 03:51:04 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LpHgv-0000Hz-6p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:50:25 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LpHgu-0000Hq-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:50:24 +0100 Received: from cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.44]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>) id 1LpHgr-00025I-B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:50:24 +0100 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit02.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C81A51C016 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:49:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A296CF3863 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:49:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B552F3866 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:49:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 09:49:13 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <FC0CD3E94EB84EB4BD3010311FB44018@gmc.net> References: <FC0CD3E94EB84EB4BD3010311FB44018@gmc.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20090402074911.6B552F3866@smtps02.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_FONT_FACE_BAD=0.452,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Tune and match the ant for 50kHz...550kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_57148312==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_57148312==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hello Petr, 50-550kHz seems a "big shot". If you want to tune (bring to resonance) the antenna using a variometer it would need a ratio of (550/50)^2 = 121. The variometer I use on 500kHz has a range of 40-450uH, thus a ratio of 11. The variometer comes from an 500kHz marine transmitter and it would be rather complex to build a copy (mechanical). Running low power you could use a parallel LC circuit. One end to the antenna and the other end to ground. The TX is connected to a tap at the coil, close to ground. You can tune the antenna to resonance by changing C (variable capacitor) and match to 50 Ohm by changing taps on the coil. I did that with success in the early days on 136kHz, but I could run only 30W power before the capacitor (plate distance 2mm) started arcing. Now you will need a capacitor with a ratio of 121, but that is not so hard: most variable capacitors have a range of 20 or better and you can put some fixed capacitors in parallel (via switches). 73, Rik ON7YD At 09:26 2/04/2009, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I want to make a small transmatch (RX, TX up to 10 Watts, or so) to >tune LW 41 m (or smaller T-ant) in the range 50 ... 550 kHz. >I am not too good in theory... but I believe that the most efficient >system is the popular loading coil (home made variometer, and taps >to find 50 Ohms match). >The simple variometer (cylindrical coil in another cylindrical coil) >is easy to make and works fine on 136kHz. However, it is possible to >change inductance in the range about 1:2 or 1:3 only, not much >better. Therefore the redudant inductance is too high to fetch the >ant to resonance on 550 kHz. >Solution would be to make a more sophisticated variometer (best: >sphere in sphere) to reach the ratio 1:10 or so. >Or, to use a different kind of network. Pi network, L network or T >network. BTW I would also prefer to use a rotary switch and solder >twenty condensers rather than to make twenty taps on a coil wound >with litz wire... > >How did you solve this yourself? > >Thanks, 73, Petr, OK1FIG > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm --=====================_57148312==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" <html> <body> Hello Petr,<br><br> 50-550kHz seems a "big shot".<br> If you want to tune (bring to resonance) the antenna using a variometer it would need a ratio of (550/50)^2 = 121.<br> The variometer I use on 500kHz has a range of 40-450uH, thus a ratio of 11. The variometer comes from an 500kHz marine transmitter and it would be rather complex to build a copy (mechanical).<br> Running low power you could use a parallel LC circuit. One end to the antenna and the other end to ground. The TX is connected to a tap at the coil, close to ground. You can tune the antenna to resonance by changing C (variable capacitor) and match to 50 Ohm by changing taps on the coil. I did that with success in the early days on 136kHz, but I could run only 30W power before the capacitor (plate distance 2mm) started arcing. <br> Now you will need a capacitor with a ratio of 121, but that is not so hard: most variable capacitors have a range of 20 or better and you can put some fixed capacitors in parallel (via switches).<br><br> 73, Rik ON7YD<br><br> At 09:26 2/04/2009, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>Hi all,<br> </font> <br> <font size=2>I want to make a small transmatch (RX, TX up to 10 Watts, or so) to tune LW 41 m (or smaller T-ant) in the range 50 ... 550 kHz.<br> I am not too good in theory... but I believe that the most efficient system is the popular loading coil (home made variometer, and taps to find 50 Ohms match).<br> The simple variometer (cylindrical coil in another cylindrical coil) is easy to make and works fine on 136kHz. However, it is possible to change inductance in the range about 1:2 or 1:3 only, not much better. Therefore the redudant inductance is too high to fetch the ant to resonance on 550 kHz.<br> Solution would be to make a more sophisticated variometer (best: sphere in sphere) to reach the ratio 1:10 or so.<br> Or, to use a different kind of network. Pi network, L network or T network. BTW I would also prefer to use a rotary switch and solder twenty condensers rather than to make twenty taps on a coil wound with litz wire...<br> </font> <br> <font size=2>How did you solve this yourself?<br> </font> <br> <font size=2>Thanks, 73, Petr, OK1FIG<br> </font> <br> <br> </blockquote><BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2>Disclaimer: <A HREF= "http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm">http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm</A> for more information.</FONT> <BR> <BR> </body> </html> --=====================_57148312==.ALT--