Return-Path: Received: from rly-me07.mx.aol.com (rly-me07.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.41]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME012-9ca49a851ae3ca; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:48:59 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-me07.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINME076-9ca49a851ae3ca; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:48:48 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ld9d9-00007X-S5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:48:23 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ld9d9-00007O-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:48:23 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ld9d8-0000GK-Eu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:48:23 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7F67B8043 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:48:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C54531E703 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:48:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA9831E702 for ; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:48:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 9966F5B19; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:48:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from 124.171-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (124.171-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.240.171.124]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:48:07 +0100 Message-ID: <20090227214807.2402inbklslc0w8o@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:48:07 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003e01c99907$73421060$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> In-Reply-To: <003e01c99907$73421060$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.240.171.124 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Ground system Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mal, I have to disagree with that (at least at my location). In 1998 (on 137kHz) I started with about 20 radials (15 to 50m long) =20 on the ground. After replacing this by 5 radials (15 to 35m long) =20 about 10cm in the ground and with a 2m earth stake at each end ground =20 loss was reduced by 30%. At my location the antenna is surrounded by many (100's) trees. Maybe the situation is different in the open. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Quoting mal hamilton : > MF > A couple of elevated insulated radials will out perform dozens of =20 > buried radials, in fact 1 radial is vy effective, even insulated =20 > radials lying above ground are also efficient. > I use 2 insulated 1/4 wave elevated radials on 500 khz and several =20 > lying on the ground for 137 khz. > Using a loading coil in an elevated position on a vertical helps but =20 > remember twice as many turns are required as opposed to base =20 > loading hence more resistance, you might not be gaining as much =20 > advantage as you think. > de mal/g3kev > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm