Return-Path: Received: from rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (rly-dc01.mail.aol.com [172.19.136.30]) by air-dc02.mail.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILINDC023-b0249a6f898a7; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:16:43 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dc01.mx.aol.com (v123.3) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDC016-b0249a6f898a7; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:16:25 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Lcmeb-0000aI-VL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:16:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Lcmeb-0000a9-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:16:21 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LcmeZ-0002jv-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:16:21 +0000 Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (smtpshost02.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.75]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421CC7B8048 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:16:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtps02.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A98F3863 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:16:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B685F3862 for ; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:16:01 +0100 (CET) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 362FF5A1B; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:16:01 +0100 (CET) Received: from 224.192-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (224.192-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [217.136.192.224]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:16:01 +0100 Message-ID: <20090226211601.64q1va4qm6og8g8o@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 21:16:01 +0100 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 217.136.192.224 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: LF Antennas - back to basics Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Andy, Quoting Andy Talbot : > Firstly, bearing in mind there is no scope whatsoever to raise one end > of the capacity hat which is defined by the apex of the house roof, > and the other end would also need some major sugery to raise its heigh > substantially, that only leaves the middle, ie the height of the > actual radiator. It wouldn't be too difficult to raise this to 10m > or even more with a fibreglass pole, but will I be throwing away all > the advantage by having the top-hat drooping down to 7m? Raising one end of the antenna should increase the radiation =20 resistance, even if the tophat is drooping. G4CNN (SK) did extensive calculations on this matter, see =20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#Umbrella > Secondly, pictures of other peoples antennas aften show a substantial > grounding plate immediately under and around the antenna base. Just > how far out is is worth going with a really substantial base. I > could cut more conductors into the ground; while the ground is still > is still soggy in March may be a good time to do this. If found out that on 500kHz (ground) losses are much lower than on 136 =20 or even 73kHz. On 136kHz I measured a loss resistance of 130-160 Ohm =20 (winter - summer), on 500kHz it is 35-60 Ohm. At these values I =20 reached a point where the loss is the loading coils (abt. 7 Ohm) is no =20 longer neglectable. Another thing that might improve teh antenna is placing (a part of) =20 the loading coil at the top of the vertical part, see =20 http://www.strobbe.eu/on7yd/136ant/#CombTop 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > Any ideas please ...? > > > Andy G4JNT > www.g4jnt.com > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm