Return-Path: Received: from rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (rly-mh01.mail.aol.com [172.21.166.137]) by air-mh03.mail.aol.com (v121_r5.5) with ESMTP id MAILINMH034-bb8497b840d48; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:12:11 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mh01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMH018-bb8497b840d48; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:11:51 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1LQpkl-0007sn-Lb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:09:19 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1LQpkj-0007se-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:09:18 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LQpkd-00027z-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:09:13 +0000 Received: from lurcher (lurcher.twatt.home [10.0.0.8]) by rsync.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC38F3B723 for ; Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:09:02 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:09:02 +0000 From: John P-G To: Message-ID: <20090124210902.238d2d83@lurcher> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.14.4; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Grabbers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Hello LF, I find it strange that the number of grabbers active should be used as a measure of the conditions and activity levels of the LF bands. Surely died in the wool "real radio amateurs" - who eschew all operation except manual telegraphy - should care not a jot if anyone has a grabber online or not? If this is the "peak season" for DX then grabbers and other computerized aids should be superfluous, and the keen DX hunters should be rattling away on their keys having lots of real QSOs, not surfing the internet looking at online waterfall screens. It seems to me that those who run grabbers and suchlike can't win, in the eyes of the "real CW men". Those that provide these facilities are generally derided for spoiling the traditions of aurally received, manually sent, telegraphy with their computerized appliances. When these "appliance operators" apply themselves to other areas of interest, and leave the LF field bereft of grabbers, they are again derided for removing a useful tool for the "DX hunting CW man". Talk about double standards! John GM4SLV