Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Received: from rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (rly-mg01.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.107]) by air-mg05.mail.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG052-9f64913f5191a; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:58:28 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg01.mx.aol.com (v121_r4.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG018-9f64913f5191a; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:58:19 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1KyME8-00048x-GV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:57:56 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1KyME7-00048o-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:57:55 +0000 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>) id 1KyME5-0004vh-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:57:55 +0000 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8B87B8028 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:57:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4430731E703 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:57:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF8031E702 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Fri, 7 Nov 2008 08:57:44 +0100 (CET) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 08:57:50 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <391646.94239.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <20081106221146.kmjhdmwut8g0wssk@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <391646.94239.qm@web28108.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20081107075744.DDF8031E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 noise - Rik: Yep its in the house! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_55639250==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 --=====================_55639250==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pete, fine it was you calling CQ ON. It should be no=20 problem to make a QSO at normal QRN levels (for this time of the year). Last night QRN was as bad as in mid-summer. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T At 01:17 7/11/2008, you wrote: >Ok Rik I think I heard you call but you didn't=20 >hear me reply. Yes it was me calling CQ ON, I=20 >am glad that much got through. There appeared to=20 >be some deep QSB on Mal and GW3UEP who I called=20 >with no result. QRN was also heavy so not a good=20 >night to make the trip. I will do a calling and=20 >listening watch same time tomorrow. > >Good Luck and 73 petefmt > > >--- On Thu, 6/11/08, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote: >From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> >Subject: Re: LF: 500 noise - Rik: Yep its in the house! >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Date: Thursday, 6 November, 2008, 9:11 PM > > >Pete, > > >I guess I heard bits and pieces of your signal. > >A bit later I heard someone calling CQ ON but couldn't get a call. > >But QRN is terrible and propagation seems poor, G3KEV and the DI > >beaccons were weaker than usual. > > >If it keeps dry I'll give it another try tomorrow. > > >73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > >Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>: > > > > Ok Rik I will be lurking on the band I am xtal controlled on 502.3. > > > > > > 73 petefmt > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/11/08, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> > >wrote: > > > > > > From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> > > > Subject: Re: LF: 500 noise - Rik: Yep its in the house! > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Date: Thursday, 6 November, 2008, 4:10 PM > > > > > > > > > If WX permits (no rain) I'll try to be QRV tonight (19-21 UT) > > > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > At 16:37 6/11/2008, you wrote: > > > > > > Hi Rik and LF > > > > > > Thanks for pushing me into doing some thing about my 500kc/s noise. > > > You would think a bloke my age would have got to grips with this > > > earlier. You were dead right The noise was coming from a DVD player > > > that was on the face of it switched off. Using a small MW radio > > > proved otherwise. I have to pull the plug out of the wall to shut it > > > up. Surgery with a hammer is planned next!!! > > > > > > Oh yes I am now hearing things again hope to hear you and have that QSO. > > > > > > 73 petefmt > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 3/11/08, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> > > > > > > Subject: Re: LF: 500 > > > > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > > Date: Monday, 3 November, 2008, 2:50 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Pete, > > > > > > > > > I found out that 90% of the noise on 500kHz came from inside my own > > > house. > > > > > > A lot of electronics is running of switched PSU's and you need just > > > one of > > > > > > these oscillating near 500 kHz to get a lot of noise. > > > > > > I took a small portable AM radio (tuned to the lowest end of the > > > medium wave > > > > > > band =3D abt. 520kHz) to locate the noise sources. Use the ferrite > > > antenna to take > > > > > > null bearings. > > > > > > After replacing a couple of 12V switched PSU's by good old linear > > > ones > > > > > > noise was down by 10's of dB. > > > > > > Another source of noise are energy saving lamps. You can locate them > > > the same > > > > > > way. > > > > > > > > > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T > > > > > > > > > > > > Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>: > > > > > > > > >> Hi Mal and LF > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I would like to be on for two way QSO's however its the old > > > story > > > > > > here I have a high noise level and am not hearing any thing > > > other than local > > > > > > signals. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I was on the Suffolk coast for this years holiday. I only had > > > a Kenwood > > > > > > TS50 and a 40 metre dipole up. I was hearing just about every > > > thing on > > > > > > 500kc/s. Its not as though I live in a high density area apart > > > from a neighbour > > > > > > either side the nearest other is about 1/4mile away but I do > > > have 11kV at the > > > > > > bottom of the garden which to date has not been a problem. So I > > > suspect an > > > > > > insulator but the noise is not general it is not affecting HF > > > at the moment. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I have an 8 foot Octagon tuneable and rotatable loop that I > > > am playing > > > > > > with at the moment but so far no real improvement. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sorry for the tale of woe but we are working on the problem. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Chris XIZ has suggested X band so I may try that shortly. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 73 petefmt > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> --- On Mon, 3/11/08, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: LF: 500 > > > > > >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > >> Date: Monday, 3 November, 2008, 11:32 AM > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Peter > > > > > >> Listening on 500 recently it looks like the GAS has gone out. > > > > > >> Mal/g3kev > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: M0FMT > > > > > >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > >> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:10 AM > > > > > >> Subject: Re: LF: 500 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Nice one Warren .... :)) > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Sorry Mal. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> 73 Petefmt > > > > > >> > > > > > >> --- On Sat, 1/11/08, Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> From: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com> > > > > > >> Subject: Re: LF: 500 > > > > > >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > > > >> Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 7:24 PM > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Mal, > > > > > >> You have a gas powered TX? > > > > > >> 73 K2ORS > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:55 PM, mal hamilton > > > <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > > >>> Hi > > > > > >>> Is there anyone listening on 500 ? or am I just burning up > > > gas !! now > > > > > > CQ > > > > > >> for > > > > > >>> a qso on 502.6 > > > > > >>> de g3kev > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> -- > > > > > >> 73 Warren K2ORS > > > > > > > > >> > > > WD2XGJ > > > > > > > > >> > > > WD2XSH/23 > > > > > > > > >> > > > WE2XEB/2 > > > > > > > > >> > > > WE2XGR/1 > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > > > > > >> Checked by AVG - > > > http://www.avg.com > > > > > >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1763 - Release > > > Date: 11/2/2008 > > > > > > 7:08 PM > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer: > > > > > > http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm for > > > more information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm --=====================_55639250==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html> <body> Pete,<br><br> fine it was you calling CQ ON. It should be no problem to make a QSO at normal QRN levels (for this time of the year).<br> Last night QRN was as bad as in mid-summer.<br><br> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T<br><br> At 01:17 7/11/2008, you wrote:<br> <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">Ok Rik I think I heard you ca= ll but you didn't hear me reply. Yes it was me calling CQ ON, I am glad that much got through. There appeared to be some deep QSB on Mal and GW3UEP who I called with no result. QRN was also heavy so not a good night to make the trip. I will do a calling and listening watch same time tomorrow. <br> <br> Good Luck and 73 petefmt<br><br> <br> --- On <b>Thu, 6/11/08, Rik Strobbe <i><Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be></i></b> wrote:<br> <dl> <dd>From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be><br> <dd>Subject: Re: LF: 500 noise - Rik: Yep its in the house!<br> <dd>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br> <dd>Date: Thursday, 6 November, 2008, 9:11 PM<br><br> <br> <dd><pre>Pete, <dd>I guess I heard bits and pieces of your signal. <dd>A bit later I heard someone calling CQ ON but couldn't get a call. <dd>But QRN is terrible and propagation seems poor, G3KEV and the DI =20 <dd>beaccons were weaker than usual. <dd>If it keeps dry I'll give it another try tomorrow. <dd>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T <dd>Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>: <dd>> Ok Rik I will be lurking on the band I am xtal controlled on 502.3. <dd>> =20 <dd>> 73 petefmt <dd>> <dd>> --- On Thu, 6/11/08, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> <dd>wrote: <dd>> <dd>> From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> <dd>> Subject: Re: LF: 500 noise - Rik: Yep its in the house! <dd>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <dd>> Date: Thursday, 6 November, 2008, 4:10 PM <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> If WX permits (no rain) I'll try to be QRV tonight (19-21 UT) <dd>> <dd>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T <dd>> <dd>> At 16:37 6/11/2008, you wrote: <dd>> <dd>> Hi Rik and LF <dd>> =20 <dd>> Thanks for pushing me into doing some thing about my 500kc/s noise. =20 <dd>> You would think a bloke my age would have got to grips with this =20 <dd>> earlier. You were dead right The noise was coming from a DVD player =20 <dd>> that was on the face of it switched off. Using a small MW radio =20 <dd>> proved otherwise. I have to pull the plug out of the wall to shut it =20 <dd>> up. Surgery with a hammer is planned next!!! <dd>> =20 <dd>> Oh yes I am now hearing things again hope to hear you and have that QSO. <dd>> =20 <dd>> 73 petefmt <dd>> =20 <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> --- On Mon, 3/11/08, Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> <dd>wrote: <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> From: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> <dd>> <dd>> Subject: Re: LF: 500 <dd>> <dd>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <dd>> <dd>> Date: Monday, 3 November, 2008, 2:50 PM <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> Hello Pete, <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> I found out that 90% of the noise on 500kHz came from inside my own <dd>> house. <dd>> <dd>> A lot of electronics is running of switched PSU's and you need just <dd>> one of <dd>> <dd>> these oscillating near 500 kHz to get a lot of noise. <dd>> <dd>> I took a small portable AM radio (tuned to the lowest end of the <dd>> medium wave <dd>> <dd>> band =3D abt. 520kHz) to locate the noise sources. Use the ferrite <dd>> antenna to take <dd>> <dd>> null bearings. <dd>> <dd>> After replacing a couple of 12V switched PSU's by good old linear <dd>> ones <dd>> <dd>> noise was down by 10's of dB. <dd>> <dd>> Another source of noise are energy saving lamps. You can locate them <dd>> the same <dd>> <dd>> way. <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> Quoting M0FMT <m0fmt@yahoo.co.uk>: <dd>> <dd>> <dd>>> Hi Mal and LF <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> I would like to be on for two way QSO's however its the old <dd>> story <dd>> <dd>> here I have a high noise level and am not hearing any thing <dd>> other than local <dd>> <dd>> signals. <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> I was on the Suffolk coast for this years holiday. I only had <dd>> a Kenwood <dd>> <dd>> TS50 and a 40 metre dipole up. I was hearing just about every <dd>> thing on <dd>> <dd>> 500kc/s. Its not as though I live in a high density area apart <dd>> from a neighbour <dd>> <dd>> either side the nearest other is about 1/4mile away but I do <dd>> have 11kV at the <dd>> <dd>> bottom of the garden which to date has not been a problem. So I <dd>> suspect an <dd>> <dd>> insulator but the noise is not general it is not affecting HF <dd>> at the moment. <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> I have an 8 foot Octagon tuneable and rotatable loop that I <dd>> am playing <dd>> <dd>> with at the moment but so far no real improvement. <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> Sorry for the tale of woe but we are working on the problem. <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> Chris XIZ has suggested X band so I may try that shortly. <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> 73 petefmt <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> --- On Mon, 3/11/08, mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> <dd>> wrote: <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> From: mal hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> <dd>> <dd>>> Subject: Re: LF: 500 <dd>> <dd>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <dd>> <dd>>> Date: Monday, 3 November, 2008, 11:32 AM <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> =C3=AF=C2=BB=C2=BF <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> Peter <dd>> <dd>>> Listening on 500 recently it looks like the GAS has gone out. <dd>> <dd>>> Mal/g3kev <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> ----- Original Message ----- <dd>> <dd>>> From: M0FMT <dd>> <dd>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <dd>> <dd>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 11:10 AM <dd>> <dd>>> Subject: Re: LF: 500 <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> Nice one Warren .... :)) <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> Sorry Mal. <dd>> <dd>>> =20 <dd>> <dd>>> 73 Petefmt <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> --- On Sat, 1/11/08, Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com> <dd>> wrote: <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> From: Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com> <dd>> <dd>>> Subject: Re: LF: 500 <dd>> <dd>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <dd>> <dd>>> Date: Saturday, 1 November, 2008, 7:24 PM <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> Mal, <dd>> <dd>>> You have a gas powered TX? <dd>> <dd>>> 73 K2ORS <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 2:55 PM, mal hamilton <dd>> <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> <dd>> <dd>>> wrote: <dd>> <dd>>>> Hi <dd>> <dd>>>> Is there anyone listening on 500 ? or am I just burning up <dd>> gas !! now <dd>> <dd>> CQ <dd>> <dd>>> for <dd>> <dd>>>> a qso on 502.6 <dd>> <dd>>>> de g3kev <dd>> <dd>>>> <dd>> <dd>>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> -- <dd>> <dd>>> 73 Warren K2ORS <dd>> <dd>> <dd> >> &n= bsp; =20 <dd>> WD2XGJ <dd>> <dd>> <dd> >> &n= bsp; =20 <dd>> WD2XSH/23 <dd>> <dd>> <dd> >> &n= bsp; =20 <dd>> WE2XEB/2 <dd>> <dd>> <dd> >> &n= bsp; =20 <dd>> WE2XGR/1 <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> No virus found in this incoming message. <dd>> <dd>>> Checked by AVG - <dd>> <a href=3D"http://www.avg.com/" eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.avg.com</a> <dd>> <dd>>> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1763 - Release <dd>> Date: 11/2/2008 <dd>> <dd>> 7:08 PM <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> Disclaimer: <dd>> <dd>> <a href=3D"http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm" eudora=3D"autou= rl"> http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm</a> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> Disclaimer: <a href=3D"http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm" eudora=3D"autou= rl"> http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm</a> for =20 <dd>> more information. <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>> <dd>Disclaimer: <a href=3D"http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm" eudora=3D"autou= rl"> http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm</a> </pre><font face=3D"Courier New, Courier"></font> </dl></blockquote><BR> <BR> <FONT FACE=3D"Arial" SIZE=3D2>Disclaimer: <A HREF=3D "http://www.kuleuven.b= e/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm">http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.ht= m</A> for more information.</FONT> <BR> <BR> </body> </html> --=====================_55639250==.ALT--