Return-Path: Received: from rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (rly-mg02.mail.aol.com [172.20.83.108]) by air-mg08.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMG082-9f9483f142d1e6; Thu, 29 May 2008 16:38:32 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mg02.mx.aol.com (v121.5) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMG023-9f9483f142d1e6; Thu, 29 May 2008 16:38:08 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1K1orm-0006At-UR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 21:36:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1K1orm-0006Ak-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 21:36:54 +0100 Received: from cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be ([134.58.240.43]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1K1ori-0002m4-9A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 May 2008 21:36:54 +0100 Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by cavuit01.kulnet.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FEE7B804C for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:36:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012F931E704 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:36:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B5B31E703 for ; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:36:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 015181A98C5; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:36:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 78.87-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (78.87-200-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [80.200.87.78]) by webmail4.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 29 May 2008 22:36:16 +0200 Message-ID: <20080529223616.5ytz212x44gggsg4@webmail4.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 22:36:16 +0200 X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <89975.60723.qm@web27612.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <20080522083548.021D331E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <1JzI3q-1TRrQ80@fwd33.t-online.de> <4836C5DA.1090806@mbsks.franken.de> <20080529073300.EBDE831E703@smtps01.kuleuven.be> <8CA8FB6956F1036-C94-810@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CA8FB6956F1036-C94-810@webmail-stg-d09.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 80.200.87.78 X-KULeuven-Information: Katholieke Universiteit Leuven X-KULeuven-Scanned: Found to be clean X-KULeuven-Envelope-From: rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.013 Subject: Re: LF: antenna losses Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Hello Marcus, the cracked branch "connected" my antenna to a repectable birch tree, =20 so I not quite sure wether the 91 Watt was entirely dissipated by the =20 leave. And I think that I wouldn't be the first one to start a fire that way. Anyway, I alway tune the antenna on low power (25 W) resulting in just =20 a few 100 mA antenna current. Only after that I switch to full power =20 (350 W) and as I noticed that the antenna current was low I only =20 transmitted for a few seconds. Maybe the alternative solution would have been to give a long 350 W =20 carrier and just burn the leave. At this moment it is rainy, so no transmitting tonight. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting Markus Vester : > Hi Rik, > > playing with your figures for current and resistance, one=C2=A0finds that=20= =20 > the=C2=A0poor little twig=C2=A0would have dissipated 91 watts. Makes me= =C2=A0worry =20 > whether=C2=A0it could=C2=A0have started a bushfire... During a fieldday a= =20 > couple of years ago, we ignited bits of dry grass on the LF antenna =20 > wire for demonstration, which=C2=A0did create=C2=A0some respect for RF vol= tage =20 > amongst the bystanders. > > 73 and best of luck > Markus, DF6NM > > > -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- > Von: Rik Strobbe > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Verschickt: Do., 29. Mai. 2008, 9:37 > Thema: LF: antenna losses > > > Dear all,=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > as I tried to tune my 500 kHz antenna last right I noticed that it =20 > was detuned by about 1.5 kHz (from 503 tot 501.5) and that the =20 > antenna current was down to 1.8 A (from 2.1 A).=C2=A0 > A first visual control of the antenna revealed no possible cause. So =20 > I started to check the coax cables and variometer, but all was OK =20 > there.=C2=A0 > During a second visual control (it was already getting dark) I =20 > noticed that a small branch of one of the surrounding trees was =20 > cracked (probably during a thunderstorm the night before) and just =20 > one leaf was touching the antenna wire. By gently pulling the =20 > downlead wire of the antenna a few times the cracked branch moved a =20 > bit and the leaves were now about 20 cm from the antenna wire. Now =20 > the antenna was back to 503 kHz and the antenna current back to 2.1 =20 > A.=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > Of course I know that the antenna wire should not touch any =20 > greenery, but I was surprised of the rather large effect of just one =20 > (meanwhile dry) leave touching the antenna wire (that has 1mm =20 > plastic isolation).=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > The loss resistance of my antenna system now is 78 Ohm, including 10 =20 > Ohm coil losses (with no touching leaves).=C2=A0 > Few weeks ago I increased the height of the top wire from 9 m to 11 =20 > m, what slightly increase the loss from 73 to 78 Ohm.=C2=A0 > This is would bring the signal about 0.3 dB down, but is more than =20 > compensated by the increase of the radiation resistance (+1.7 dB)=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > During the first tests in February (with the 9m high antenna) I =20 > measured a loss of 55 Ohm, so the is a seasonal variation almost 20 =20 > Ohm (or 1.2 dB).=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm=C2=A0 > =C2=A0 > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Bei AOL gibt's jetzt kostenlos eMail f=C3=BCr alle. Klicken Sie auf =20 > AOL.de um heraus zu finden, was es sonst noch kostenlos bei AOL gibt. > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm