Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (rly-ma04.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.48]) by air-ma08.mail.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILINMA084-8a6473ebdcae5; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:09:37 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma04.mx.aol.com (v120.9) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA048-8a6473ebdcae5; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 05:09:16 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ItKbE-0004AV-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:08:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ItKbE-0004AM-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:08:28 +0000 Received: from sighthound.demon.co.uk ([80.177.174.126]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ItKbA-0000mw-Tr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:08:28 +0000 Received: from lurcher.twatt.local (lurcher.twatt.local [127.0.1.1]) by lurcher.twatt.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42270DA539 for ; Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:08:18 +0000 (GMT) Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:08:17 +0000 From: John Pumford-Green GM4SLV To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: <20071117100817.54c90983@lurcher.twatt.local> Organization: The Gammy Bird X-Mailer: Claws Mail 2.10.0 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.039,RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=0.234 Subject: LF: RX artillery Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hello LF, While I was making some recordings of various signals on MF and HF to demonstrate the "sound" of my Inrad 250Hz filter for another list member's benefit I decided to see what real effect the various additional external hardware I have built made to the ability to pull signals from the noise. I've noticed many times recently that I can often hear people on 500, especially during the day, and yet be unable to make myself heard. I always put this down to my low noise level. While this will have some bearing I also wonder if some of my simple extra hardware is responsible. I have an op-amp based tuneable RF pre-amp and a simple op-amp 10Hz audio filter. Nothing "rocket science". My previous understanding of noise floor and necessary RX sensitivity was that, especially on the lower bands, performance was limited by the external band noise and really sensitive RX front ends were unnecessary - all you do is amplify the noise.... My IC-718 has a measured MDS of -119dBm (IPO) and -125dBm (pre-amp on) on 500kHz and similar figures on 300kHz in an SSB filter b/w. The old maxim of "if you can hear the noise increase when you connect the antenna then you've got enough sensitivity" would indicte that this is more than adequate. However.... Have a listen to the recording here :-- http://www.sighthound.demon.co.uk/gm4slv/OZN_372_RX_test.mp3 In this test I tuned to 372.420kHZ, the upper sideband ident of the OZN-372 NDB in Greenland. At 09:30z it's not too strong here. In fact it was totally inaudible. The noise level was too high to make it worthwhile adding more gain in front of the RX....or so I thought. The recording starts with the RX in CW mode, 2.3kHz IF filter and no internal or external pre-amp. Pretty noisy and no sign of either OZN or the more local ODR. I switch in my 10Hz AF filter. The wideband crud disappears, but still no OZN. Next comes the LF353 op-amp tuneable pre-amp. This shouldn't help, as all I'll do is amplify the noise, right...? Bingo! Both OZN and, a few Hz lower, ODR. I have a local NDB (TL-376) and the keying harmonics (multiples of 400Hz) can be just be heard (wearing 'phones) - a final switch if the IC-718 internal 250Hz inrad filter cleans it up. My queston now is.... Would more people benefit from similar, simple, additions to their 500kHz stations? Many people are still trying to receive on wide IF filters and straightforward amateur rigs (the IC-718 is one such rig). My experience of being able to hear people perfectly Q5 yet be inaudible to them might be in part due to the extra hardware, not purely my superior location? -- John GM4SLV IP90gg Clousta, Shetland