X-GM-THRID: 1239192540326630087 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs131427hue; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:03:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.140.17 with SMTP id n17mr654255hud.1181826202990; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k7si2162010nfh.2007.06.14.06.03.17; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 06:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HyorB-0006XQ-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:55:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HyorA-0006XH-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:55:20 +0100 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hyor9-0000uJ-3N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:55:20 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFCDE4D5DC for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:55:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (smtpshost01.kulnet.kuleuven.be [134.58.240.74]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF004D83B for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:55:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01.kuleuven.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A6531E703; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:55:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (dhcp-10-33-85-199.fys.kuleuven.be [10.33.85.199]) by smtps01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD7D431E702 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:55:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:58:19 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Kuleuven: This mail passed the K.U.Leuven mailcluster From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <001f01c7ae26$3474ab40$c2137ad5@w4o8m9> References: <001f01c7ae26$3474ab40$c2137ad5@w4o8m9> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070614125512.BD7D431E702@smtps01.kuleuven.be> X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: M0BMU ERP on 500k Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1069 Hello Jim, based on radiation resistance it should be 13.5 times better on 504 kHz [ (504/137)^2 ]. I guess that the remaining factor of 4.4 [ 59/13.5 ] is due to lower losses on 504 kHz. BTW: Simulating your 10 x 40 m inv-L antenna on gives a radiation resistance of 0.36 Ohm on 504 kHz (versus 0.026 Ohm on 137 kHz). With 0.4 A antenna current the radiated power is (should be) 58 mW. Taking into account the theoretical gain of a short vertical (4.8 dBi / 2.6 dBd) the EIRP should be (have been) 173 mW EIRP or 105 mW ERP. It seems that even on 504 kHz still a lot of power is "absorbed" near the antenna. 73, Rik ON7YD At 03:49 14/06/2007, you wrote: >Dear LF Group, > >To complement the 136kHz field strength measurements done a few days ago, I >have now made some measurements on 503.8kHz. The average of 57 measurements >with an antenna current of 400mA came to 43mW (-13.7dBW), and the antenna >efficiency 0.59%. This is for the 10m high, 40m long inverted L, which was >one of the antenna configurations used for the 136k measurements. The >antenna efficiency on 500k is 59 times greater than on 136k - illustrating >how much easier it is to "get out" on 500kHz, in spite of the poor >efficiency on both bands. > >Qualitatively, the field strength results were rather similar to previous >experience at LF - a few dB variation in ERP occured between measuring >sites, with most of the results being within 2dB of the mean value. I >rejected 4 measurements that were made along the road where the overhead >phone line to my QTH runs - as was the case on 136k, some of these showed >several dB variation from the average, and it seems the phone line acts as >an extension of my antenna over quite a wide frequency range (unfortunately, >not a practically useful one, though - it clearly does not do much for the >overall ERP, I suspect it is also responsible for coupling some of the local >QRM into the TX antenna). I made measurements at distances between about >230m and 6km according to the GPS receiver, and a wide range of different >directions - plotting ERP against distance did not reveal any particular >varying trend, indicating a F.S. proportional to 1/distance relationship >holds over this range. Plotting ERP against bearing indicated no detectable >directional effects. This is what you would expect for an electrically small >500kHz vertical antenna. > >I also re-measured the dimensions of the antenna, since various changes have >been made over the years. I calculated a new value for the effective height >of 8.3m (previously, I had used 9m). Working backwards from the ERP >measurements, the effective height at 503.8kHz is 5.8m, and at 136kHz it is >4.5m. Whatever is reducing the radiation from the antenna is frequency >dependent, by about -3dB at 500k and about -5dB at 136k. > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm