X-GM-THRID: 1237077777621314064 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs258071hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.16 with SMTP id w16mr394636ugh.1179819065399; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si1016570ugf.2007.05.22.00.31.00; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqOlu-0005Sd-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:27:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqOlt-0005SU-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:27:05 +0100 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqOlq-0003P8-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:27:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E997E4D728 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21DAB4D565 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276502CAB2C; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ADE2CAAD6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:28:30 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070522072652.E9ADE2CAAD6@smtp02.kuleuven.be> X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2432 Hi Alan, >In message <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be>, >Rik Strobbe writes >>Why would one need an "antenna farm" with an ERP (EIRP ?) limit of 0.1 Watt? > >I think it's because small/low aerials lose more signal to >surrounding ground clutter than do big/high aerials. I don't believe >that trees, buildings and hills necessarily appear as part of the >loss resistance you mention. That's true, greenery or buildings can cause extra losses. But this can be compensated by more TX power. Measurements on 136 kHz have shown that additional losses often are in the range of 3 to 6 dB. I guess that this will be less on 500 kHz. It just would mean that you need 50 Watt instead of 25 Watt. >>On the other hand using narrowband modes will give easily give a 5 >>to 10 dB improvement of CW. > >Nobody disagrees with you. What Mal said was "there is no need to >use QRS to be heard around EU". It seems a shame to use a slow mode >if a given path supports a faster one. Shame? Shouldn't anyone be "free" to operate the mode he (or she) prefers? Without any mode being superior to another? And without receiving negative comments (such as naming QRS "Lazy Mans cw.")? To avoid misunderstanding: my HF logbook is filled for about 50% with CW QSO's, for sure I am not anti-CW. But nut anti any other mode either. 73, Rik ON7YD >-- > >Cheers, > >Alan G3XAQ >alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm