X-GM-THRID: 1236156085801955440 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs316052hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.216.14 with SMTP id o14mr2915695ugg.1178897253035; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si7592535ugp.2007.05.11.08.27.27; Fri, 11 May 2007 08:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmWyT-0005fm-3a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 16:24:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmWyS-0005fd-LY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 16:24:04 +0100 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmWyR-0007zf-RB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 16:24:04 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50B56138188 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 17:23:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01 (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC46137E12 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 17:23:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps01 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFB72E68CD; Fri, 11 May 2007 17:23:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by smtps01 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309162E68CC for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 17:23:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:26:03 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <002501c793d0$13e7fdc0$0300a8c0@lark> References: <002501c793d0$13e7fdc0$0300a8c0@lark> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070511152356.309162E68CC@smtps01> X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: ERP spreadsheet for loops Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1663 Hi Alan, just one more remark: The formula used assumes a constant current for the entire loop, what is valid only for small loops (compared to the wavelength). In one article I found that the upper limit was a loop circumference of lambda/5, thus 120 m at 500 kHz. So at the height of 10 m the length should be no more than 50 m (@ 500 kHz). 73, Rik ON7YD At 15:26 11/05/2007, you wrote: >Hi all, another whoopsie !! As a result of the sudden interst in loops and >thanks to help from Rik, we spotted an error in the loop Rrad calculation (I >thought it looked a bit small !) It transpired I was using the 136kHz >wavelength as a constant when I imported the equation from another sheet, >and I did not consider anyone using loops on 500k at the time so did not >check the results. I hope I didn't disuade anyone building a 500kHz loop. At >least the loop v Marconi "L" comparison is correct now. The new sheets have >been uploaded and have two lines of correction declared, above the >descriptive text. >http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm >Make sure you hit REFRESH as some browsers seem not to see new content with >the old file name. The file names have been kept the same to link with other >pages. > >Cheers de Alan G3NYK Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm