Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:59:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EytEi-0004qc-PG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:59:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EytEi-0004pP-JC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:59:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EytEM-0001en-Kb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:58:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EytEM-0001ee-89 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 15:58:46 +0000 Received: from mxout03.versatel.de ([212.7.152.120]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EyuSL-00063S-NR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 17:17:35 +0000 Received: from mx03.versatel.de (mx03.versatel.de [212.7.146.3]) by mxout03.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0HFwO99025636; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:58:24 +0100 Received: from localhost (webmail2.versatel.de [62.214.100.55]) by mx03.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k0HFwMkY003432; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:58:22 +0100 Received: from i577a637a.versanet.de (i577a637a.versanet.de [87.122.99.122]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:58:22 +0100 Message-ID: <20060117165822.z8lpghsmckwsowcg@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 16:58:22 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Alan Melia References: <000701c61a8f$6ccf2c80$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL><20060116234132.jss0e6ldnj0g0880@webmail.versatel.de><001301c61af4$9db27ae0$67b0fea9@lark> <20060117110042.4fiu7hkxcquscoos@webmail.versatel.de> <000a01c61b52$10796fe0$67b0fea9@lark> In-Reply-To: <000a01c61b52$10796fe0$67b0fea9@lark> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Zitat von Alan Melia : > Hi Uwe, yes it is a bit confusing as at first sight one would expect the > signals to be present or absent on both grabbers. > > At night I think the main mode is a hop length of about 2000 km. See > http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/geometry.htm > > This is about the distance from Brian to DCF39. The night-time signals Brian > recorded over several years were fairly consistent but did sometimes show > severe dips in strength which I think are due to destructive interference > (optical term) between the main mode and other paths (maybe a 2-hop path). > > The path to the States is roughly 6000kms which is 3 hops, but under > conditions of low absorption it may be that a two hop signal (or a 4 hop > signal) arrives, sometimes at a very similar strength. The result of this > can be deep fades, but the timing does depend on the path length. It is > interesting to watch Joe, Warren, John and Dex's signals. In particular > although John and Warren are only about 80km apart there is a distinct > difference in the times they fade and return....it can be as much as 15 to > 20 minutes. > > The positive side to this effect is that if the phase difference is right > you get a 6dB enhancement a short time later in the night. These are the > "lifts" that lead to some of the first TA successes on 3 sec dot QRSS (all > that was available at the time using Robert Horne's Spectrogram) > > Interesting stuff this LF propagation !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > OK. Alan, thanks. Im eager to see whether Bill/VE2IQ received any signs or not. Regards Uwe/dj8wx