Return-Path: Received: (qmail 67487 invoked from network); 24 Feb 2005 11:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore03.plus.net with SMTP; 24 Feb 2005 11:14:05 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D4GxN-0005ts-Fw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:14:58 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D4GxM-0005tj-Se for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:14:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D4GyI-00027a-DA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:15:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1D4GvP-0006cO-I5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:12:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D4GvP-0006cE-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:12:55 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.email.it ([80.247.70.6]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D4GvM-0003vB-M8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:12:55 +0000 Received: by smtp-out1.email.it (Email.it, from userid 101) id C51D11C8003; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from 1.118.222.44 (81-208-36-89.fastres.net [81.208.36.89])by smtp-out1.email.it (Email.it) with ESMTP id 518E21C8003for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:12:52 +0100 (CET) From: Claudio Pozzi To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 12:23:37 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200502241223.37150.smtp01@email.it> X-Copyrighted-Material: Please visit http://www.email.it/ita/privacy.html X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 80.247.70.6 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of email.it X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Off Topic Ft101zd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On Thursday 24 February 2005 02:18, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote: > Dear Alberto, > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote: > > Do really exist A/D converters capable of 24-bit resolution at 30 > > MHz bandwidth ? > > Why one need 24-bit? Though 16 bit is adequate for most SW,MW,LW > recievers. 16 bit yelds abt 90 dB dynamic range (every bit exept > sign bit yelds 6dB). This means that 1 bit give a sufficient MDS? The recovered audio is ON/OFF tone? > But this is dynamic range if there is no > filtering. When you make banwidth narrow by DSP then dynamic range > will be improved because noise decreases. If frontend sampling rate > is, say 100 MHz (there is such an ADC) and bandwidth of DSP filter > is about, say 10 kHz this yelds 40 dB of noise decreasing. Thus RX > dynamic range to be about 90+40=130 dB! Realy DD is not 130 dB of > cose. But it much less due to analog (!) effects in ADC absolutely > similary as in conventional analog RX. This is not digital effect! But without a single channel roofing filter a 130 dB outband signal make the AD converter overload, despite any sampling rate. Or not? I have some unanswered question: 1- How many bits are needed for a good audio reproduction, i.e. a S/N ratio of 10 dB with some voice dynamics? Telephone signals usually are sampled 8 kHz 8 bits for a telephonic quality (with no compression). May be that 4 bits are sufficient but 1 bit I don't think. 2- Those bits are to be taken in account for calculating the dynamic range? i.e. 16 - 4 = 12 bits =72 dB dynamic range. 73 de Claudio, ik2pii - Claudio Pozzi - Happy Linux User - http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Audio, Video, HI-FI...oltre 2.000 prodotti di alta qualità a prezzi da sogno solo su Visualdream.it Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=2954&d=24-2