Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57740 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2004 19:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 2004 19:20:35 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CWgDX-000IDA-6Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:20:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CWgDX-000ID7-0z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:20:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CWgDK-000PYP-4L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:20:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CWgCO-0000v9-Ns for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:19:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CWgCO-0000v0-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:19:36 +0000 Received: from smtp18.singnet.com.sg ([165.21.6.38]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CWgCG-0001Bp-Mv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:19:35 +0000 Received: from vaiosn ([203.125.220.115]) by smtp18.singnet.com.sg (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id iANJJOZF004834 for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2004 03:19:24 +0800 Message-Id: <200411231919.iANJJOZF004834@smtp18.singnet.com.sg> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 11:19:24 -0800 Organization: SC Group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <41A37475.701@usa.net> Thread-Index: AcTRguHzHD+qDb3oTmGj53GzIK1IXQACdaEg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 165.21.6.38 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: RE: LF: Linear amplifiers , MSK, and 500kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Hi Alberto, One possible problem is that the ratio of peak to average power is very high. For example, if you had 64 carriers of one watt each, the average power would be 64 watts, but you'd need (in theory) a 4 kW amplifier to handle the case when all carriers were in phase. In practice, such a system could use a PA with 400 W peak capability; the occasional clipping would reduce the effective S/N only slightly. An amateur system might be ok with a 250 W amp. But if that same rig could be run at 250 W with slow PSK or FSK, it would negate any advantage of COFDM. However, if your output power was limited thermally, or by a one watt ERP regulation, then a multicarrier system would offer some interesting advantages. It's also possible that some clever precoding could reduce the peak power required. A cool stunt might be transmitting e.g. LPC-10 coded speech with COFDM. I suspect that using the same average power, you'd get several times farther than with SSB. 73, Stewart KK7KA -----Original Message----- From: Alberto di Bene [mailto:dibene@usa.net] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:34 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Linear amplifiers , MSK, and 500kHz I was playing with the idea (just the idea...) of trying COFDM on LF. I have postponed any further work on this to next year for lack of time, but I am wondering if anybody has words of wisdom on this subject. It would be unpleasant to spend on it a few weeks only to find then a show-stopper that somebody else had already found in the past... 73 Alberto I2PHD