Return-Path: Received: (qmail 4569 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2001 14:49:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 12 Feb 2001 14:49:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 3548 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2001 14:49:15 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 12 Feb 2001 14:49:15 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14SKCW-0004ga-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:43:36 +0000 Received: from indyweb.cgocable.ca ([205.151.69.200]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 14SKCT-0004gV-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:43:34 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from 220-140.lr.cgocable.ca (220-140.lr.cgocable.ca [24.226.220.140]) by indyweb.cgocable.ca (8.9.3 (MessagingDirect 1.0.4)/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA10083379 for ; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:43:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200102121443.JAA10083379@indyweb.cgocable.ca> X-Sender: bill1@cgocable.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 09:43:22 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Bill de Carle" Subject: Re: LF: GPS-Disciplined BPSK Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 10:28 AM 2/12/01 +0000, Walter Blanchard wrote: >At 21:17 11/02/01 Sunday, VE2IQ wrote: > >>...............I propose to use GPS ..........: >>The only real requirement is a GPS receiver with a 1-PPS output good to >>within a few microseconds of UTC. > >Be careful - don't confuse relative with absolute time. The 1 pps output >from cheapo GPS sets is only relative time, not absolute. If you like, it >gives frequency not phase and phase is essential to your >application. Recovering absolute time from GPS to microsec accuracy is not >easy and you won't do it with an ordinary positioning receiver. Well, isn't that a bummer! I had assumed that Garmin's specification of 1 microsecond meant that the 1 PPS output was within 1 microsecond of UTC. We don't really need microsecond accuracy. Within one millisecond would be good enough. But now I'm very curious about this. What is the difference between relative time and absolute time? If all GPS receivers output their 1 PPS at "relative" time then the system will work just fine. It doesn't matter what time it is absolutely, only that everyone agrees on what time it is. Bill VE2IQ