Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26291 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 17:26:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 17:26:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 25371 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2000 17:21:28 -0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 7 Dec 2000 17:21:28 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #1) id 1444NC-0002y6-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:58:22 +0000 Received: from public2.thorcom.com ([212.172.148.20] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #1) id 1444NB-0002y1-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 16:58:21 +0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Received: from indyweb.cgocable.ca ([205.151.69.200]) by public2.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 14432K-0003XP-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 15:32:45 +0000 Received: from 220-152.lr.cgocable.ca (220-152.lr.cgocable.ca [24.226.220.152]) by indyweb.cgocable.ca (8.9.3 (MessagingDirect 1.0.4)/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA6315670 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 11:55:37 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <200012071655.LAA6315670@indyweb.cgocable.ca> X-Sender: bill1@cgocable.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:54:10 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Bill de Carle" Subject: Re: LF: VE2IQ's .WAV file /73kHz Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: At 01:22 PM 12/7/00 +0000, Jim Moritz wrote: >Dear LF Group, > >Was interested to see Bill's report of the reception of LEK using >slow CW. I played the .WAV file back using spectrogram - I have to >admit I could not make out the CW by ear (it's rather a short >sample), but the signal is clear enough on the spectrogram trace - >it looks like 3s dots, once the compression factor of 40 is taken >into account. > >Something else that is interesting is the noise on the display. If you >look at a night-time spectrogram at my QTH, it is like a crazy tartan >pattern, with vertical streaks every few seconds due to QRN, and >horizontal ones every few Hz due to various signals and Loran. On >VE2IQ's sample, there is nothing in the bandwidth apart from LEK >and what appears to be random noise (although I suppose this >would only correspond to a bandwidth of about 10Hz in real time) - >this is what it sounds like too. Is this an effect of the 'Crunch' >compression process, or does it mean that Bill's QTH is very quiet, >or mine is very noisy? I have lots of noise here! The CRUNCH process does have the effect of "spreading out the spectrum" around the frequency of interest. The basic process I use is to *mix* the signal down to some very low frequency (in this case 800 Hz was mixed down to 20 Hz) - then to *multiply* it back up to 800 Hz. The frequency multiplication process is what makes the desired signal seem to stand out all by itself. For example, if there was an interfering carrier 10 Hz away from LEK's signal, after mixing down it would still be 10 Hz away, but after multiplying back up to 800 Hz it would be 400 Hz away and then gets taken out by the 300 Hz bandpass filter on the output. I could have used a much *narrower* bandpass filter on the output in this particular case because I know Lyle's station is always right on the published frequency, but in general I keep it wide because lowfer beacons are often several Hz off frequency and they risk going outside the passband (after multiplication) if the filter is too narrow. Bill VE2IQ