Return-Path: Received: (qmail 28779 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2000 00:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by bells.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 13 Apr 2000 00:01:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fWzO-0002cS-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:56:06 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fWz1-0002cH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:55:43 +0100 Received: from central.zetnet.co.uk (central.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.20]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA19234 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:55:30 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ZSender: g3ldo@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2000041223543468199@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:54:34 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Peter Dodd" X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10000836 Subject: LF: Re: TransAtlantic II Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit > From Dave G3YMC > I wish Larry and the VE team all the best for their forthcoming > transatlantic tests - the choice of a period in November is excellent, and > if there is a chance then (and December) is the optimum time. > I think it would have given Peter Bobek a very special thrill if his aims > were met by a normal amateur using normal CW and an average station. I don't recall that DJ8WL had any hang-ups about using QRSS - in fact all my QSOs with him used this mode Of the modes proposed for these Transatlantic tests the extremes are 30 or 40WPM CW and slow CW that would take several hours. From experiance gained in the last couple of weeks in crossband tests on 72kHz/137kHz, mainly with I5TGC, I feel that the following notes may be of some interest. Even in good conditions a signal radiated from 1W erp is going to be very weak by the time it has travelled 3000km, even on a sea path. In periods of exceptional conditions such a signal may be audible but a much greater chance of success can be had by using QRSS. This can illustrated by a 72/137kHz cross-band I had with OH9UFO. Reino was using nomal CW on 137kHz. I was a comfortable 'O' on QRSS. I was asked to try fast CW and Reino copied his report and gave me 329 - then lost it. This QSO was very marginal and if it wasn't for the inital QRSS contact it would not have happened. We have very little knowledge of the long distance propagation mechanism of weak signals at LF. All we can say is (from observing commercial stations) that they seem better in Winter at around 0400UTC for this path. The greater the distance the shorter the openings so digging the signal out of the noise using very long integration times is impractical. The openings for the I5TGC experiments lasted half an hour, which gave plenty of time for QRSS with a dot length of 3 or 4 seconds. Exceptional conditions can occur any time so we should not confine the tests to special expeditions. We should have a plan. -- Regards, Peter, G3LDO