Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26601 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2000 21:25:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by teachers.core.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 12 Apr 2000 21:25:46 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fUYK-00027K-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:20:00 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 12fUYJ-00027B-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:19:59 +0100 Received: from central.zetnet.co.uk (central.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.47.20]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id WAA32283 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:19:46 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ZSender: g3ldo@zetnet.co.uk Message-ID: <2000041221190568199@zetnet.co.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:19:05 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: "Peter Dodd" X-Mailer: ZIMACS Version 1.20c 10000836 Subject: Re: LF: Coil winding conundrum Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit > G4JNT> Both coils were the same diameter, same inductance, and roughly > the same length in total. So why was the one made of plain > wire better ? Self capacitance ? Gamal> No. Unless the "capacity" exhibits significant dielectric losses, > great self capacitance does not harm in lieu of Q. > What you probably have missed is to keep distance between > individual turns of the coil's winding. The effect of closely > winded turns is named proximitty effect. Current in one turn > tends to displace the current in the adjacent turn and vice versa. > When constructing loop antenna windings, I try to keep a clearance > of at least 2 times the wire diameter in between individual turns and > always get optimum Q. For solenoid type of coils I recommend a minimum > of 1 wire's diameter of clearance. > As the self-made Litz wire has a greater outer diameter, it's > relative close proximitty to the next turn reduces Q much more > than in the case of the solid wire. I use a 400uH commercial variometer in series with my main loading coil for tuning. This single layer solenoid coil is wound with Litz wire and the spacing is about 1.5 wire diameter. The main loading coil is wound on plastic fencing material formed into a cylinder. It was not possible to maintain a one wire spacing so I compromised and wound the coil in 'bunches' of 10 windings. A lot of effort goes into the design of professional LF coil design, to reduce adjacent wire proximity while retaining a managable small size as can be seen in the design of the Decca transmitter coil formers (hopefully, more will be reveilled when I can figure it out). Fairly complex coil design articles appeared in early publications, which described basket and honeycomb winding patterns. I will try to get some of this into the next edition of the LF Book - the main problem is the illustrations! -- Regards, Peter, G3LDO