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There  are plenty of  commercial  data  mode  systems  in use  on the  =
Ham bands  that  are locked  and not  publicised , from  my experience , =
the  locked systems seem to  give a  superior level  of performance  to =
the  open    code  versions , pactor-4  being a  good  example , using  =
modern  ss techniques  achieves  high data/power  ratio , but  missing  =
is the  cdma  layer that  would  enhance  b/w  user efficiency  , but  =
that  exists in another locked data  mode , which is  free=20

So  where /what  is the  problem ?

G,=20


From: wolf_dl4yhf=20
Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:41 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014


Thanks for forwarding the message Bob - so I won't spend any effort in =
implementing Opera myself if Markus's DS algorithm is really embedded in =
the Ros-software.
Despite the fact that I don't like, and will not use, the original Opera =
software myself as long as its author makes such a secret of it, leaving =
it to others to reverse-engineer the algorithms.

Cheers,
  Wolf .

Am 27.12.2013 19:31, schrieb Bob Raide:

  Trevor and all;
  Especially #1!!!  If that alone could be accomplished the rest later =
would do just fine. Bob, WG2XRS/4-4000 meters, WE2XEB-2200 meters, =
WE2XGR/6-630/600 meters-W2ZM...
  =20


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  Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:48:00 +0000
  Subject: [O_P_E_R_A_] Opera upgrades for 2014

   =20
  A few thoughts for Opera enhancements VLF to 160m

  (1) Deep Search Detector built in to existing Opera system with =
ability to run alongside existing=20
  Op decoders and report directly to PSK reporter=20

  (2) Reinstate the dual receive function without having to open =
multiple instances of the software.

  (3) Dynamically resizable screen or replace the dials with led bar =
type indicators - would make=20
  the overall screen size a little smaller.

  (4) Option to "tear off" the waterfall to enable positioning on =
another part of the monitor screen -=20
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  Trevor G0KTN



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