Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dk02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id A51CE38000142; Wed, 7 Sep 2011 03:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1R1D0G-0003TX-3v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:57:00 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1R1D0F-0003TO-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:56:59 +0100 Received: from nm2-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.182.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1R1D0E-000411-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2011 08:56:59 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.196] by nm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2011 07:56:51 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.203] by tm2.bt.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2011 07:56:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Sep 2011 07:56:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 781259.93040.bm@omp1001.bt.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 99947 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2011 07:56:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1315382211; bh=9QiNgXN1LdVKpSCBJEBr2eUGamqWn1k3r/25fcnG++g=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=v5TXqTtADPnBde9MtFWGZ4vVAwRXTg0nrF2MdtcQJMFm/MZskX/VaPPJl/tM00j7HSH3x89iAXXBeDv+HongRxqHORldYZvzdgA6Cual7na6KlbBiE0+diaPjFJdxPu+C9KT31uCEJAGsO8pYHskUTPAfOb3gPo0r8P2kt/keIU= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: eD4aD_AVM1numQglYXBVh.UpCjvLkVp.TUoZPHcTEvbl5pl jSb99Mf59dqfTzq3oBftuUBIrWmoUzv55AM2EYo2T5sieMZlqdqKjH4hdbDl tet_syHejZINaYUNjyi.DGBb4KR3s0v_ByBZbpGLhd.wTmgXj0we_SimHArP u03dmzaHCWb7TG4PXiqzAW2qjWg6BngAc91TIVHBp1z2kjLvCdT7W2s.FpgU m9U2qzwxTjFP_TVjTh9g.hyyIw3DRloMa8jsNDog45ULqlIx3Toz5GSlVpJg ne91ITUocOKjeousUh75UD4pXTDMacuKNz3ZLVfREGJiE8g6gGix4XxlyIY1 NhIdwM07IhO9zgg6CUdsD3iLajD9yO4GXbArvKaGG8LRhQfvcsv5kZ96glJU tW6WwoDSS_q8- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 3_GukIKswBBGEEUeO9dDYa33IYinID2Un03yQYf2pojq.858OXY- Received: from HughLaptop (m0wye@86.136.202.119 with login) by smtp815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 07 Sep 2011 07:56:51 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <1A11EFA89B294E93B5158316DA289E0C@HughLaptop> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: References: <8E521D9BC6FA41FF801372D1EF8145C9@JimPC> In-Reply-To: <8E521D9BC6FA41FF801372D1EF8145C9@JimPC> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 08:56:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Curious local QRM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:491152544:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m243.2 ; domain : yahoo.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db4064e672401139f X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Great story, Jim, glad you were able to track it down. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:48 PM Subject: LF: Curious local QRM > Dear LF Group, > > While doing some tests with 136kHz ferrite rod antennas recently, I had > noticed a problem with some local wideband "mush" QRM. In some locations > in my garden this was 30dB or more over the band noise level. Moving the > RX antenna a few metres made a big difference to the QRM level, so the > source was obviously very local, and so this evening I decided to track it > down. > > I used one of my small loop antennas with a long coax extension lead going > back to the shack, and a pair of wireless headphones so that I could > listen to the QRM level on the RX in the shack as I moved the antenna > around. Pretty quickly, I was able to localise the source to a shed in my > garden that I use to store larger "junk box" items, but there are no power > or other electrical connections to the shed, so what could be making the > QRM was a mystery. > > After emptying out half the shed contents, the QRM source turned out to be > another, experimental, loop antenna that I made some years ago. This was a > 1m^2 loop with a broadband preamp fed via a step-up transformer. The local > MF broadcast stations produce enough field strength to induce a few volts > EMF at the un-powered preamp input, where rectification and > intermodulation occurs. Since there are 4 modulated broadcast signals, the > result is a wide ,almost uniform spectrum of noise, some of which is > re-radiated by the loop. Turning the broadband loop at right angles to the > broadcast stations restored peace and quiet! > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU >