Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=1 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u8P9gtrG027895 for <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 11:42:55 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bo5tP-0000Rd-Rm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:38:39 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bo5tP-0000RU-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:38:39 +0100 Received: from smtp10.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.132] helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from <f6cni@orange.fr>) id 1bo5tM-0007e8-En for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 10:38:37 +0100 Received: from PCPMF ([83.192.31.70]) by mwinf5d33 with ME id nleX1t00E1WmhfX03leXlG; Sun, 25 Sep 2016 11:38:34 +0200 X-ME-Helo: PCPMF X-ME-Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 11:38:34 +0200 X-ME-IP: 83.192.31.70 Message-ID: <19771A4FE3F240239C54CD72681C2123@PCPMF> From: "F6CNI - Andy - JN19QB" <f6cni@orange.fr> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> References: <DB6PR1001MB13200141A0EF720C5DE601A4ECCA0@DB6PR1001MB1320.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> In-Reply-To: <DB6PR1001MB13200141A0EF720C5DE601A4ECCA0@DB6PR1001MB1320.EURPRD10.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM> Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2016 11:38:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 160924-1, 24/09/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Scan-Signature: 321ff684ea5941bc203a0284601061e8 Subject: Re: LF: good night on MF WSPR @G7NKS 1933km @ 50mW erp - winter plans Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01D21721.5684A960" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8840 Ce message est composi et au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D21721.5684A960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello James. Congrats your results on WSPR2 MF. I just computed, using the EZNEC PRO V6.0 software, your antenna with = the 52 Ohms base resistance part, an average soil in the Fraunhofer zone = and 25 Watts output TX. Here the results : =B7 Base antenna Z =3D 52 - 1300 j and 900 Volts RF RMS ; =B7 F/B ratio 1.4 dB ; =B7 Efficiency =96 21 dB, so about 200 mW ERP ; =B7 Maxi lobe -18 dBi at 20=B0 site, so about 400 mW EIRP ; =B7 Ibase =3D 0.7 A , Itop =3D 0.5 A , Total Amperes x meters =3D = 7.2 in the vertical wire. =B7 To get 1 W EIRP, you need about 60 Watts output TX. Note that results are exactly the same if you test the very very fb, = easy to use and accurate =AB Antenna simulator =BB computed by rik ON7YD = / OR7T : http://www.472khz.org/pages/about-this-site.php Best 73. Andy. From: James Cowburn=20 Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 9:11 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: good night on MF WSPR @G7NKS 1933km @ 50mW erp - winter = plans=20 Prop'n seems to be improving. Iceland and Finland last night on MF, = nearly 2000km on about 50mW ERP. =20 Roll on the cold dark nights! =20 Simple set up @ G7NKS =20 IC706mk2g via current meter and home brew 7 pole LPF into coax out some = 15m to a tapped loading coil into an inverted L (12m high on a = fibreglass telescopic pole and 30m top wire across roof) =20 Earthing via a mish-mash of stakes & bonding to oil tank feeder pipe = (buried) and some steel mesh under patio slabs and block paved drive. =20 Checking via the RigExpert AA1000 analyser shows an impedance of 52 ohm = and a return loss of -25dB @ 474.2khz. For the local IO92 and Newark = Sunday morning net with G3XIZ, M0JXM, G3DXZ, G4GIR occasionally and = M0FMT, we use around 473.3khz and this occassionally warrants a quick = tap up or down by half a turn. Also when it rains like today, there's a = tweak needed sometimes as the top wire capacitance to roof changes as it = becomes more electrolytic and less air spaced! =20 PC is a Dell Studio 1749 running WSPR 2.12. =20 The IC706mk2G will run at about 25% max power on 472 so about 25w but = not all of that is at 472 of course, I estimate I'm getting 50mW ERP = using a very helpful spreadsheet/calc provided by Stefan. =20 =20 On a 15% duty cycle it all remains happily cool. =20 It does have a tendency to fight with our cheap home broadband router = supplied by British Telecom, resulting in the "Orange Light of Death" = and subsequent grief from XYL and 2 teenagers as their Netflix/Music = stream/Online gaming has just fallen over! Ferrite toroids have been = spectacularly unsuccessful in remedying this. The best solution has = been to try to run the CAT5 cables in my office as perpendicular to the = coax feed and line of roof top wire as possible to minimise pick up and = cross talk, but this hasn't really been that effective either. =20 A bigger issue on Rx is the noise pick up from both Dell (genuine kit = and not cheap copies either, which is annoying!) PSUs that feed the = Studio and the XPS17 which is my main office PC. On batteries, I get = about S1-3 of noise which is very good, but as soon as the PSU's are = used and are under "load" then this rockets up to S7-9! If they are = powered on, but not driving the laptops i.e. disconnected, then they = have no impact. I'm wondering if it is the load that makes them = noisier or whether the whole laptop acts as an augmented antenna when = they are connected to it? =20 I've tried putting them in shielded earthed metal boxes (biscuit tins!) = with no effect. (biscuits were nice though!). Similarly, stacked = ferrite toroids on the mains inputs and DC power out have had zero = impact. They both have a very bright blue LED on the power cable = whereas older units for my Dell D610/20 series did not have this = "bauble" and were much quieter, but also were lower rated at 60W or 90W = as opposed to these beasts which are around 120W to 150W, and run = alarmingly warm at times!=20 =20 The Rx noise doesn't seem to affect my WSPR reception but it does impact = on me hearing G3DXZ (Chas) from Newark on the Sunday Net, so for that I = just run the show on batteries during the Rx overs.=20 =20 When I get "a round Tuit" I am going to follow the very detailed = instructions from John in the US and feed the 706 into my recently = acquired Hafler Transnova 3000 (approx 400w). Cheers John. =20 While I will unlikely get 400W I suspect I might get 250W which is 10dB = up on my current input power and hopefully about 500mW ERP and that may = be enough to hop the pond.=20 =20 As for 137KHz and down=85=85. =20 The 706 will generate a very weak signal at 137 probably only around 1mW = but if I can get that into the Hafler then that=92s my net project, work = and weather permitting. I acquired some coils from the SK estate of the = late great G3ACQ and they will happily resonate my "L" onto LF.=20 =20 My other (better) plan is to use the 0dBm output on my Elad FDM Duo and = a 1W broadband RF amp off Ebay to give me 1W output at 137 and feed = that into the Hafler, so plenty to do. =20 The ELAD will also go down to sub 9Khz on the 0dBm output so I may try = to re-start my dreaming experiments and also try some of Roger G3XBM = earth loop electrode arrangements =20 The local 472 net nr to IO92ub will be on air from about 9am local today = and most Sundays so feel free to join in! =20 Chris G3XIZ is usually "Net Controller" and "chief documenter". =20 =20 Best 73s =20 =20 Jim =20 =20 Dr. Jim Cowburn G7NKS IO92ub =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D21721.5684A960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <HTML xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40" xmlns:o =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:st1 =3D=20 "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3DWindows-1252" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META name=3DGenerator=20 content=3D"Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)"><o:SmartTagType=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"=20 name=3D"City"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"=20 name=3D"country-region"></o:SmartTagType><o:SmartTagType=20 namespaceuri=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags"=20 name=3D"place"></o:SmartTagType> <STYLE> st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } </STYLE> <STYLE> <!-- /* Font Definitions */ @font-face {font-family:"Freestyle Script"; panose-1:3 8 4 2 3 2 5 11 4 4;} /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; margin-bottom:.0001pt; font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {color:blue; text-decoration:underline;} a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple; text-decoration:underline;} span.EmailStyle17 {mso-style-type:personal-compose; font-family:Arial; color:windowtext;} @page Section1 {size:595.3pt 841.9pt; margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;} div.Section1 {page:Section1;} --> </STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY lang=3DEN-GB dir=3Dltr link=3Dblue vLink=3Dpurple> <DIV dir=3Dltr> <DIV style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri'; COLOR: #000000"> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Hello = James.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 14pt"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Congrats your results on = WSPR2=20 MF.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 14pt"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">I just computed, using = the EZNEC PRO=20 V6.0 software, your antenna with the 52 Ohms base resistance part, an = average=20 soil in the Fraunhofer zone and 25 Watts output TX. Here the results=20 :</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 14pt"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list 39.0pt"=20 align=3Djustify><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; mso-fareast-font-family: symbol; = mso-bidi-font-family: symbol"><SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-list: ignore"><FONT face=3DSymbol><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">=B7</FONT></FONT><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =20 </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Base antenna Z =3D 52 - 1300 j and 900 Volts = RF RMS=20 ;</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list 39.0pt"=20 align=3Djustify><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; mso-fareast-font-family: symbol; = mso-bidi-font-family: symbol"><SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-list: ignore"><FONT face=3DSymbol><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">=B7</FONT></FONT><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =20 </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">F/B ratio 1.4 dB ;</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list 39.0pt"=20 align=3Djustify><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; mso-fareast-font-family: symbol; = mso-bidi-font-family: symbol"><SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-list: ignore"><FONT face=3DSymbol><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">=B7</FONT></FONT><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =20 </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Efficiency =96 21 dB, so about 200 mW ERP=20 ;</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list 39.0pt"=20 align=3Djustify><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; mso-fareast-font-family: symbol; = mso-bidi-font-family: symbol"><SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-list: ignore"><FONT face=3DSymbol><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">=B7</FONT></FONT><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =20 </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Maxi lobe -18 dBi at 20=B0 site, so about 400 = mW EIRP=20 ;</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list 39.0pt"=20 align=3Djustify><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; mso-fareast-font-family: symbol; = mso-bidi-font-family: symbol"><SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-list: ignore"><FONT face=3DSymbol><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">=B7</FONT></FONT><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =20 </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Ibase =3D 0.7 A , Itop =3D 0.5 A , Total = Amperes x meters =3D=20 7.2 in the vertical wire.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 39pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-list: l0 level1 = lfo1; tab-stops: list 39.0pt"=20 align=3Djustify><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; mso-fareast-font-family: symbol; = mso-bidi-font-family: symbol"><SPAN=20 style=3D"mso-list: ignore"><FONT face=3DSymbol><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">=B7</FONT></FONT><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: ; LINE-HEIGHT: normal"><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 7pt"> =20 </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">To get 1 W EIRP, you need about 60 Watts = output=20 TX.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 14pt"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Note that results are = exactly the=20 same if you test the very very fb, easy to use and accurate =AB Antenna = simulator=20 =BB computed by rik ON7YD / OR7T : <A=20 style=3D'href: "http://www.472khz.org/pages/about-this-site.php"'=20 href=3D"http://www.472khz.org/pages/about-this-site.php"><FONT=20 style=3D"face: = calibri">http://www.472khz.org/pages/about-this-site.php</FONT></A></FONT= ></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 14pt"></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 14pt">Best = 73.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><FONT = face=3DCalibri></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: "><FONT = face=3DCalibri><FONT style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 14pt">Andy.</FONT></FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal align=3Djustify><SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: = "></SPAN> </P> <DIV=20 style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: = "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; = DISPLAY: inline'> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt tahoma"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5"> <DIV style=3D"font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A = title=3Djim.cowburn@outlook.com=20 href=3D"mailto:jim.cowburn@outlook.com">James Cowburn</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 25, 2016 9:11 AM</DIV> <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= </A>=20 </DIV> <DIV><B>Subject:</B> LF: good night on MF WSPR @G7NKS 1933km @ 50mW erp = - winter=20 plans </DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV=20 style=3D'FONT-SIZE: small; TEXT-DECORATION: none; FONT-FAMILY: = "Calibri"; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; COLOR: #000000; FONT-STYLE: normal; = DISPLAY: inline'> <DIV class=3DSection1> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Prop'n seems to be = improving. =20 <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on">Iceland</st1:country-region> and=20 <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20 w:st=3D"on">Finland</st1:place></st1:country-region> last night on MF, = nearly=20 2000km on about 50mW ERP.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Roll on the cold dark=20 nights!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Simple set up @=20 G7NKS<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">IC706mk2g via current = meter and home=20 brew 7 pole LPF into coax out some 15m to a tapped loading coil into an = inverted=20 L (12m high on a fibreglass telescopic pole and 30m top wire across=20 roof)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Earthing via a mish-mash = of stakes=20 & bonding to oil tank feeder pipe (buried) and some steel mesh under = patio=20 slabs and block paved drive.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Checking via the RigExpert = AA1000=20 analyser shows an impedance of 52 ohm and a return loss of -25dB @=20 474.2khz. For the local IO92 and Newark Sunday morning net = with=20 G3XIZ, M0JXM, G3DXZ, G4GIR occasionally and M0FMT, we use around = 473.3khz and=20 this occassionally warrants a quick tap up or down by half a turn. = Also=20 when it rains like today, there's a tweak needed sometimes as the top = wire=20 capacitance to roof changes as it becomes more electrolytic and less air = spaced!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">PC is a Dell Studio = 1749 =20 running WSPR 2.12.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">The IC706mk2G will run at = about 25%=20 max power on 472 so about 25w but not all of that is at 472 of course, I = estimate I'm getting 50mW ERP using a very helpful spreadsheet/calc = provided by=20 Stefan. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">On a 15% duty cycle it all = remains=20 happily cool.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">It does have a tendency to = fight=20 with our cheap home broadband router supplied by British Telecom, = resulting in=20 the "Orange Light of Death" and subsequent grief from XYL and 2 = teenagers as=20 their Netflix/Music stream/Online gaming has just fallen = over! =20 Ferrite toroids have been spectacularly unsuccessful in remedying = this. =20 The best solution has been to try to run the CAT5 cables in my office as = perpendicular to the coax feed and line of roof top wire as possible to = minimise=20 pick up and cross talk, but this hasn't really been that effective=20 either.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">A bigger issue on Rx is = the=20 noise pick up from both Dell (genuine kit and not cheap = copies=20 either, which is annoying!) PSUs that feed the Studio and the XPS17 = which is my=20 main office PC. On batteries, I get about S1-3 of noise which is very = good, but=20 as soon as the PSU's are used and are under "load" then this rockets up = to=20 S7-9! If they are powered on, but not driving the laptops i.e.=20 disconnected, then they have no impact. I'm wondering = if it is=20 the load that makes them noisier or whether the whole laptop acts as an=20 augmented antenna when they are connected to = it?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">I've tried putting them in = shielded=20 earthed metal boxes (biscuit tins!) with no effect. (biscuits were nice=20 though!). Similarly, stacked ferrite toroids on the mains inputs = and DC=20 power out have had zero impact. They both have a very bright blue = LED on=20 the power cable whereas older units for my Dell D610/20 series did not = have this=20 "bauble" and were much quieter, but also were lower rated at 60W or 90W = as=20 opposed to these beasts which are around 120W to 150W, and run = alarmingly warm=20 at times! <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">The Rx noise doesn't seem = to affect=20 my WSPR reception but it does impact on me hearing G3DXZ (Chas) from = <st1:city=20 w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Newark</st1:place></st1:city> on the = Sunday Net,=20 so for that I just run the show on batteries during the Rx overs.=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">When I get "a round Tuit" = I am going=20 to follow the very detailed instructions from John in the = <st1:country-region=20 w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> = and feed the=20 706 into my recently acquired Hafler Transnova 3000 (approx=20 400w). Cheers John.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">While I will unlikely get = 400W I=20 suspect I might get 250W which is 10dB up on my current input power and=20 hopefully about 500mW ERP and that may be enough to hop the pond.=20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">As for 137KHz and=20 down=85=85.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">The 706 will generate a = very weak=20 signal at 137 probably only around 1mW but if I can get that into the = Hafler=20 then that=92s my net project, work and weather permitting. I = acquired some=20 coils from the SK estate of the late great G3ACQ and they will happily = resonate=20 my "L" onto LF. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">My other (better) plan is = to use the=20 0dBm output on my Elad FDM Duo and a 1W broadband RF amp off Ebay = to give=20 me 1W output at 137 and feed that into the Hafler, so plenty to=20 do.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">The ELAD will also go down = to sub=20 9Khz on the 0dBm output so I may try to re-start my dreaming experiments = and=20 also try some of Roger G3XBM earth loop electrode=20 arrangements<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">The local 472 net nr to = IO92ub will=20 be on air from about 9am local today and most Sundays so feel free to = join=20 in!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Chris G3XIZ is usually = "Net=20 Controller" and "chief documenter". <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial">Best 73s =20 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT = size=3D5=20 face=3D"Freestyle Script"><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D'FONT-SIZE: 18pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Freestyle = Script"'>Jim</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20 face=3DArial><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT = size=3D3=20 face=3DArial><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT = size=3D3=20 face=3DArial><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT = size=3D2=20 face=3DArial><SPAN lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: = arial">Dr. Jim=20 Cowburn G7NKS IO92ub</SPAN></FONT><FONT = face=3DArial><SPAN=20 lang=3DEN-US style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal=20 style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt: auto; mso-margin-bottom-alt: auto"><FONT = size=3D3=20 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN lang=3DEN-US=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></FONT></P> <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><SPAN=20 style=3D"FONT-SIZE: = 12pt"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT> </P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY><= /HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01D21721.5684A960--