Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1481; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id uA2AHnDv022117 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:17:49 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1c1sXc-0001tw-Df for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:13:08 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1c1sXb-0001tn-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:13:07 +0000 Received: from nm33-vm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com ([212.82.97.106]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1c1sXY-00078c-U3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:13:06 +0000 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=yahoo.co.uk Result=Good and Known Domain DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s2048; t=1478081583; bh=+Ya0LKKuNx67dpJWlvZQTj7VUNPaYP3uEVOL2QfCCBc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=Anc00hzBuFhN9yS70l80y1CkFdweKgJD5TNY36iPlbwGERWKlgg+Z7jzU+wh9MR1Ig9IA6n5WqVdlT9b7eF9Mw8kO379FJGtxobR0jKjM8NQF8J5kIqOTcnK5RnSbHwTuir6AaXwQPm7EJizAuTJedpLnKq+m7R5zAEIWdkQvLvqFUMJdCrGhYn82NWLx6VY1Vj5BbgSZKcUkEA071jrbZLm/chvChCkYYiDhe1RKhBV9zbmP6ykeVAC605ruqMkNQY22oeXQsn9tRiFBArLCGu09yNPrQ6p8/AGIZ4SDJ0S62Te/0d8m6yHx8dFpOecLpQ0GNKFgpQlOy/lNG+h6w== Received: from [212.82.98.48] by nm33.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2016 10:13:03 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.74] by tm1.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2016 10:13:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1011.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Nov 2016 10:13:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 683910.86661.bm@omp1011.mail.ir2.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: HLkmYh0VM1k9iBInpTko5BzzV0uKkyZtmpriK.fOF6z1ObPFHuduQHtM6xHjAon w5FV_KTN.DmI9vMjZXQqeBrrtGifmhk7iBHHlknR_Nw99Eu_gHNC1ycEClBAQB2lS3sKgIAoqHuE COIge3j5JPejW4YMn69ycwkOOu0NgmhvRPs9baYiHDXd1HAha3TvuO1NsMxieck1PNSJc6cLuLAv YdSnYrCGVM5qAFTS62CMJMlA.8hD.9v.2.7I.QbQzI.UJ8GzCuVJHcjDsZCWEvic9.DjXY.d_vcc _ERjtbb5oj.eetqDXt7E2.VpdMd3M5dHYkhzrIGqNRq4vWnKvdB82T23B_a3Rrq_9UgQYz6f5pzd aWroH.zEYnFQB_NDZtoOhmlUnc.crzXZSICSy.Vrovtoix64U01ftlfCRebqO8qbezDsMnmaaCTb GRxhCiz0wLQytQrlLJAu4ruAu.y16ZsBRt66.PJlMnZhoBAKqsugsqKX7GfAJ5sov1Bt_3B7eucc A1UP9cV_jIceFOyz5HRTUxfyf9pdMs3w- Received: from jws700039.mail.ir2.yahoo.com by sendmailws106.mail.ir2.yahoo.com; Wed, 02 Nov 2016 10:13:03 +0000; 1478081583.313 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2016 10:13:02 +0000 (UTC) From: David Hine To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <1941663290.380251.1478081583023@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: d0d76c369792b807e0925732d18ad9b1 Subject: Re: LF: NO INTERNET Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_380250_1901812311.1478081583021" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Content-Length: 9593 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 9344 ------=_Part_380250_1901812311.1478081583021 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G3KEV -I could not agree more. We are very privileged to have the RSBB to g= uard Ham radio for us. I am doing my own ELF and LF experiments, and have f= ound a good Tesla=C2=A0ELF antenna design that transmits a 1.6 Hz signal ar= ound the globe that can be seen on magnetometers. This antenna will soon be= tested on Long Wave on 162 kHz, sometime after Allouis (France)=C2=A0has c= losed. I really cannot understand why Long Wave broadcasting will soon be g= one in the UK with its amazing coverage. I would like to see the free acces= s=C2=A0to all on the now soon to be empty Long Wave Broadcast band -as is n= ow permitted in the USA. Could that become possible here? This would encour= age much more LF experimenting, and also would be very useful when a disast= er occurs. I think this is why the USA now allows this additional=C2=A0LW u= se=C2=A0-many interested in LF=C2=A0people, in known locations would be ava= ilable=C2=A0to 'draw=C2=A0on' when the unthinkable occurs. Could the RSGB p= ush this LW use for us forward here in the UK too? The USA=C2=A0is very ver= y=C2=A0wise to now have their Hams plus all the additional LW enthusiast in= place and ready for the worst!! With very kind regards to all, Dave.=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 From: "g3kevmal@talktalk.net" To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" ; "rsgb_l= f_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" =20 Sent: Wednesday, 2 November 2016, 8:59 Subject: LF: NO INTERNET =20 No internet available during la= st night for several hours. Maybe a Cyber attack.Communications via a third= party ie Interenet, Satellites, Cell Phones etc very vulnerable.Direct com= munications is preferable like Amateur Radio and=C2=A0 especially modes lik= e CW / SSB/AM/FM.I would suggest commercial operators should have a backup = system on LF/MF/HF otherwise in the event of a Big BangDestroying the Satel= lite system which includes GPS navigation there would be chaos.Already cybe= r attacks are =C2=A0causing concern. The vulnerability includes Broadcastin= g services that are dependent on satellites and Internet.It is noticeable o= n HF at present some countries are back on CW and RTTY as back up, quite ac= tive at times on the radio amateur bands especially 5 Mhz. Maybe others hav= e noticed this trend =C2=A0De G3KEV =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0Sent from Mail for Windows 10 =C2=A0 =20 ------=_Part_380250_1901812311.1478081583021 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
G3KEV -I could not agree more. We are very privileged to have = the RSBB to guard Ham radio for us. I am doing my own ELF and LF experiment= s, and have found a good Tesla ELF antenna design that transmits a 1.6= Hz signal around the globe that can be seen on magnetometers. This antenna= will soon be tested on Long Wave on 162 kHz, sometime after Allouis (Franc= e) has closed. I really cannot understand why Long Wave broadcasting w= ill soon be gone in the UK with its amazing coverage. I would like to see t= he free access to all on the now soon to be empty Long Wave Broadcast = band -as is now permitted in the USA. Could that become possible here? This= would encourage much more LF experimenting, and also would be very useful = when a disaster occurs. I think this is why the USA now allows this additio= nal LW use -many interested in LF people, in known locations= would be available to 'draw on' when the unthinkable occurs. Cou= ld the RSGB push this LW use for us forward here in the UK too? The USA&nbs= p;is very very wise to now have their Hams plus all the additional LW = enthusiast in place and ready for the worst!! With very kind regards to all= , Dave.
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From: "g3kevmal@talktal= k.net" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksh= eep.org>; "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroup= s.co.uk>
Sent: Wed= nesday, 2 November 2016, 8:59
Sub= ject: LF: NO INTERNET

No internet available during last night for several hours. Maybe a Cyber = attack.
Communications via a third party ie Interenet, Satellit= es, Cell Phones etc very vulnerable.
Direct communications is preferable like Amateur Radio and  espec= ially modes like CW / SSB/AM/FM.
I would suggest commercial operators should have a backup system on LF/MF/= HF otherwise in the event of a Big Bang
Destroying the Satellite system which includes GPS navigation there= would be chaos.
Already cyber a= ttacks are  causing concern.
The vulnerability includes Broadcasting services that are dependent on s= atellites and Internet.
It is no= ticeable on HF at present some countries are back on CW and RTTY as back up= , quite active at times on the radio amateur bands especially 5 Mhz.
=
Maybe others have noticed this trend<= /div>
 
De G3KEV
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