Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 104; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_RCVD_HELO,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u4IGD8it008386 for ; Wed, 18 May 2016 18:13:08 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1b33xT-000187-7s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2016 17:04:27 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1b33xR-00017y-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2016 17:04:25 +0100 Received: from smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk ([212.23.1.3]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1b33xN-0005Fh-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2016 17:04:24 +0100 Received: from [82.70.254.222] (helo=OfficeWin7.lan) by smarthost01b.mail.zen.net.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1b33xL-0000FV-7j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2016 16:04:19 +0000 Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 17:04:18 +0100 From: Chris Wilson Organization: Gatesgarth Developments X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1934937394.20160518170418@chriswilson.tv> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-smarthost01b-IP: [82.70.254.222] X-Scan-Signature: 49f0f587e44d6711c57b8a4e950ba850 Subject: LF: Can LF damage a mains input filter? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8114 18 May 2016 Long story, but since stopping LF 136kHz TX for a while in lieu of some HF working all the digital TV's in the house freeze or totally blank on all bands above top band, up to 50MHz when I transmit at more than about 5 or 10W. I have a loft mounted UHF TV aerial feeding an amplifier cum distribution box. It has an internal mains PSU. Without it we receive hardly any channels. It's been fine for years, and I have never had TVI. My HF set up is unchanged from when I had no issues. I put the TV antenna co-ax direct into my SA and on circa 531 MHZ see a broad digiTV signal that's strong. If I TX on say 20 meters at high power into my antenna I see zero change in the TV signal. I have also fed the output of my HF TX (TS-590 Kenwood) into the SA via an attenuator and the output looks spotless on all bands. However, if I connect the TV aerial amp / distribution box up and look at the output from it the TV signal immediately drops into the noise when I TX. My neighbours have no issues at all. This seems to have occurred since I have been active on LF, and I had a stage where full power would trip the main RCD in the consumer unit, so RF was getting into the mains. Is it conceivable something has occurred to perhaps a mains filter in the TV amp? I looked inside the plastic case and it has a small mains transformer that feeds feed throughs into a screening can with all the RF stuff within it. If there is any mains input filtering it must be on the low voltage side of the transformer. The unit has a moulded on three pin mains plug, but with a plastic earth pin, so the unit is not grounded. Is it possible to make a mains input filter for a piece of equipment that would filter 136kHz but not affect normal 50Hz mains operation? Has anyone experienced anything like this? I have ordered a new amp / distribution box of known make, and will just try replacing it, but would also like to know if my LF activity could have done this? Thanks. -- Best regards, Chris 2E0ILY mailto:chris@chriswilson.tv My part time LF grabber is at http://www.chriswilson.tv/grabber.html