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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Many thanks again also to Rik, Ian, Stefan, Mauro, Ewald for your fine observations and suggestions, both on behalf of Ralph and from myself.  I can say that we are overwhelmed by the number of positive responses. 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Yes some type of subaudio=C2=A0ID=C2=A0on the carrier would surely make sen= se. I had thought of=C2=A0a phase modulation scheme (perhaps similar to=C2= =A0the 162 kHz timecode), but at this speed it may have=C2=A0a negative imp= act on synchroneous AM demodulators which use a PLL to regenerate=C2=A0the = carrier.=C2=A0A very slow (several seconds) but characteristic frequency mo= dulation may indeed be the best option. Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Mauro Giroletti An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 10. Nov. 2018 16:35 Betreff: R: RE: LF: 1476 kHz AM Hi,=20 reception=C2=A0 1476khz my locator JN45nk .73Mauro Ik2GFT ----Messaggio originale----=20 Da: cpaul@gmx.net=20 Data: 10-nov-2018 15.59=20 A: =20 Ogg: RE: LF: 1476 kHz AM=20 =20 The carrier is right now audible and visible on a=20 battery powered portable SDR (Reuter Pocket)=20 with just a small active ferrite antenna.=20 =20 73=20 Clemens=20 DL4RAJ=C2=A0=20 =20 =20 ------=_Part_196920_764741001.1541865263062 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Many thanks again also to Rik, Ian, Stefan, Mauro, Ewald= for your fine observations and suggestions, both on behalf of Ralph and fr= om myself.  I can say that we are overwhelmed by the number = of positive responses.

Yes some type of subaudio ID on the= carrier would surely make sense. I had thought of a phase modulation = scheme (perhaps similar to the 162 kHz timecode), but at this speed it= may have a negative impact on synchroneous AM demodulators which use = a PLL to regenerate the carrier. A very slow (several seconds) bu= t characteristic frequency modulation may indeed be the best option.
Best 73,
Markus


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
V= on: Mauro Giroletti <mauro.giroletti@alice.it>
An: rsgb_lf_group &= lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 10. Nov. 2018 16:35<= br>Betreff: R: RE: LF: 1476 kHz AM

<= div>Hi,
reception  1476khz my locator JN45nk .
73
Mauro Ik2GFT

----Messaggio originale----
Da: cpaul@gmx.net
Data: 10-nov-2018 15.59
A: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Ogg: RE: LF: 1476 kHz AM

The carrier is right now audible and visible on a
battery powered portable SDR (Reuter Pocket)
with just a small active ferrite antenna.

73
Clemens
DL4RAJ 


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