Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1290; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t7MI1wbd019205 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 20:01:59 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ZTD43-0007FT-QR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 18:58:47 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ZTD43-0007FD-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 18:58:47 +0100 Received: from nm10-vm0.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.213.147]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1ZTD2z-000684-1H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 18:58:45 +0100 X-DKIM-Result: Domain=sbcglobal.net Result=Signature OK DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s2048; t=1440266243; bh=X9xSXY0Hsy+xSQcBohheY25Vz9DmWAez7yVRqhsdAjw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=uUsK6vn0rc+17x8ObhICUshlhWomAmNCZWgVeMZoBN6CFKH/Mk2kK09h9iU5rrNui53mbvDoRpth3SG3AF04Ytd5u29V8UKoSPhBllw3wqYUuKaSf27BidcV8pAx6ogdpiO22QgXZ0Q3mZNqCTFdR0v+vRr4XvE2ia846oxW/cUE5TZfTePUL+eo17EdskV7t72SVuI1/2fPJwaxRHjLwsphsb/wuwfvj7TCgPv183PZTt2tyQEI9aNZlSPZT85U7BM151kH5s7oBf0TNMbEExsdlgxwVUvRIsiMahQdPHgpA8RkXKY/udL3UpEpaMIko3HjkwKc3hlWxrof+HTA4g== Received: from [98.139.215.142] by nm10.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2015 17:57:23 -0000 Received: from [98.139.212.219] by tm13.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2015 17:57:23 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2015 17:57:23 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 180521.89248.bm@omp1028.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-YMail-OSG: IyDZ0xIVM1nwIEvO1sv3zIyJvPkqS7mI1P9KBKopBxRgWcV0RGvV3_pUG.14erw SIJ5gJ1CXlCl8XIVn3A6UpyZ.8lixCpubsZ5RsLE_Cb47pzY_zP1W3IOWi4aJcilR6KPCdXfP4U3 2nLUV_hN9wgErWetR6bbXxt1xd4DC2Www4_L4BVvZht4QPI8eM0xiIbLs5qSY00uFmyeoH6rQwfh TqAabIbp2Cu_sN9IIQNtpR95DPJIQ0ATCqu.0M0AN12eD9SIvkPy2dd5Rk8mMdQhiEdx5YRSc.NE 23JsGNSyCnstW5HdEQGdWeGz6VGi2wmj0fiw6Un_.h2eGrYR_VDmvoHSFCOEh84VlaSA29lpWHC. nVU26U3CYPmtKX0_IeE9kZt8PSYeFIHWnzPshdPd99vuifFxPJsU7wrWv8hZEo67_00GSSmTnanS XesCa7n4.4V8rIH98oAnM_T9urRW8q6I5._ADe6qAzX0qF1L3jBw2G.8TQZb22uWDvjmC7CvXth2 BjHBQwNhrK12zJIlWiCZgRCgh6tR_RpFf Received: by 76.13.26.143; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:57:22 +0000 Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:57:22 +0000 (UTC) From: John Langridge To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <1831411228.8896827.1440266242462.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <55D8819A.1020900@posteo.de> References: <55D8819A.1020900@posteo.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 3d0ae5b4ae8b74dc4bf5c1dbe3fef430 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Band is open to VK! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8896825_1782876502.1440266242455" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3947 ------=_Part_8896825_1782876502.1440266242455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Stefan. I look forward to seeing your results.=C2=A0 Its quite amazing how just a s= light increase in S/N can make a huge difference sometimes. These are exciting times for MF and LF.. 73! John KB5NJD / WG2XIQ.. From: DK7FC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:05 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Band is open to VK! =20 Am 21.08.2015 21:43, schrieb John Langridge: Outof curiosity, are most stations in Europe=C2=A0 using directional RXant= ennas or only omnidirectional/TX antenna?=C2=A0 Most of us here stateside t= hat have made it across at one time or another using WSPR orother modes are= using directional antennas.=C2=A0 Just a matter of curiosityon my part.=20 =20 As far as i know, most stations arround EU are using omnidirectionalantenna= s. Maybe 10% are using loops or cardioid antennas? I know F6CNIand F1AFJ ar= e using cardioid antennas. On my RX location in the city i'm using a small active omnidirectionalE fie= ld antenna. On my remote RX site i'm preferring a loop beamingNW/SE. In som= e time i will have finished my stereo receiver for MF. Thei can decide to u= se a T-antenna or a loop or a combination out of thesetwo antennas resultin= g in a cardioid system. The advantage over e.g. aK9AY design is that i can = use the configurations simultaneously,i.e. i can build (in SpecLab) a cardi= oid antenna beaming to NW AND acardioid antenna beaming to SW AND an omnidi= rectional antenna,receiving to the same time :-) 73, Stefan ------=_Part_8896825_1782876502.1440266242455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Stefan.
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I look forward to seeing your results.  Its= quite amazing how just a slight increase in S/N can make a huge difference= sometimes.

These are exci= ting times for MF and LF..

73!

John KB5NJD / WG2XIQ.= .


From: DK7FC <sel= berdenken@posteo.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Band is open to VK!

Am 21.08.2015 21:43, schrieb John Langridge:
Out of curiosity, are most stations in Europe  using directional RX antennas or only omnidirectional/TX antenna?  Most of us here state side that have made it across at one time or another using WSPR or other modes are using directional antennas.  Just a matter of curiosit= y on my part.
As far as i know, most stations arround EU are using omnidirectional antennas. Maybe 10% are using loops or cardioid antennas? I know F6CNI and F1AFJ are using cardioid antennas.
On my RX location in the city i'm using a small active omnidirectional E field antenna. On my remote RX site i'm preferring a loop beaming NW/SE. In some time i will have finished my stereo receiver for MF. The i can decide to use a T-antenna or a loop or a combination out of these two antennas resulting in a cardioid system. The advantage over e.g. a K9AY design is that i can use the configurations simultaneously, i.e. i can build (in SpecLab) a cardioid antenna beaming to NW AND a cardioid antenna beaming to SW AND an omnidirectional antenna, receiving to the same time :-)




73, Stefan




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