Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mj11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mj11.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.164.95]) by air-df05.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF053-5ef44cb18d722cd; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 05:54:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mj11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 0C395380000A6; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 05:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1P4saW-0001xV-54 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:53:04 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1P4saV-0001xM-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:53:03 +0100 Received: from smtp815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1P4saT-00062G-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:53:03 +0100 Received: (qmail 76679 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2010 09:52:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=gStDPZt9HcPx/FfnQsQFUh33im+/l1YYaiANSR0ZPOG88Ptr4unHPhWlMJNXhT7CnDwVbaA6SKrGXmDWHPV/kEebCB8ZjJY7wf4zOpdcz1D1PlpndgnDSKHJ+rBHCosb7P4MgdAmyR1Qf/HZWQkcg4cC5PU5Br7r+5f7ibgjleQ= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1286704376; bh=4OB+LRKw1wc9BjMpXwQfbn4XPwMgjqk9O/eYLjk3qkw=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=xeLckfM48uur2i4qEAJdTM4/ZojFbs5KyC6gyl48Ea7MnHNzU6rd6QKQfwdZVaxxg3VCQ6ab5uj5t39KSTteNnz2Eqp7YbuLZhDuzL6fuatby5mV8vlW0ntU3FNLwAupxoTRo+EH20mIM44ohyeB2FjDl7cfnLUcl4E+x62vS/o= Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.174.31.94 with login) by smtp815.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2010 09:52:56 +0000 GMT X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- X-YMail-OSG: K7Yau8EVM1m6pCmCf9YS8QHmKXAOoo0pSvP9g5LijuoQuDC qQjUHYDtOgxegeBHdMlEki7qUcSeOW9x9JNg8QHF5B_7xFkS61R8xpoJUKxO he2Xh7tEjGyXAcIpjFeH_3x2WfA1MJh_3.MT2az61y7FbEHeHzOZLqfKvtFt k0HZgaoQPNctwn7076amokwvYRGWie2ntREB70zqitVdrDi_AqM2Y X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <177A43FE53B3446BBB11F210DC7C4EF7@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4CA5E86D.1070208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <6F6098420211436FABB78BE04E5F8FAD@JimPC> <000901cb6215$2db60550$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4CA7096F.7070307@freenet.de> <4CA7C5EA.5060001@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4CAA3CB4.5080600@toya.net.pl> <4CAA5A32.2010106@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4CAB9042.3020508@toya.net.pl> <4CABA230.3010304@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <4CABB715.2000901@toya.net.pl> <2024E84F348A4A039481951F65394FA7@JimPC> <4CB0BBE1.1050500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> In-Reply-To: <4CB0BBE1.1050500@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 10:52:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: DK7FC's 7th VLF kite experiment Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d288.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039400c89b64cb18d70202b X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Stefan, LF Group, > This capture is taken from your home QTH, rigt? Yes, this is the same QTH and equipment as used for your lests last week, although without the 9kHz bandpass filter connected. > It looks nice and very clear with very low QRM, at least above 5 kHz. Usually there are more spectral lines due to mains-borne QRM. But the low local noise level gives a better picture of the QRN. > The spectrum curve is surely a mixture out of the VLF noise floor, your > antennas frequency response and mains hum (just below 5 kHz). The MSKs > are relatively low in its level but not in its S/N, due to your band > limiting. The antenna/preamp response is flat between about 3kHz - 22kHz, and the shape of the noise floor spectrum looks quite similar to that displayed on Paul Nicholson's web pages, so I think the plot reflects the actual noise level reasonably accurately. The loop is oriented E-W, while several of the utilities are approximately N-S from this QTH, so these would be stronger if an omni-directional antenna were used You could easily lock your soundcard to GQZ at 22.1 kHz to > make an quasi atomic accuracy RX out of it For the type of tests done so far, the long-term drift that occurs does not matter much, but the short-term fluctuations that I experienced in the sound card with a period of ~1 - 2minutes probably do significantly reduce the SNR. I have not yet tried the SpecLab locking facility yet - definitely something for the next test! > There is sometimes a trace arround 10,6 kHz which looks as a MSK signal > that cannot be there. I have observed the same line on my grabber. Do > you have an idea what can cause this trace on this QRG? I had not seen this before here - will have to have a look. > > Since the signal (to noise) levels have been so strong in the last > experiment, i think i want to try DFCW-120 the next time, not only but a > part of the mesage. Seems to be no problem for you :-) I run F5WK's wav > file in QRSS-120 mode and it was no problem at all to see the signal... > Should be no problem here... > I have inserted a switch to change the range of the antenna amperemeter > to 1A or 2A, so 6 dB more ERP is necessary to reach again the goal to > bring the needle to the catch ;-) ...But keep watching out for smoke and flames ;-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU