Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5635 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1999 16:06:02 +0100 Received: from magnus.plus.net.uk (HELO magnus.force9.net) (195.166.128.27) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 16:06:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 2743 invoked from network); 20 Jul 1999 15:08:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnus.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 20 Jul 1999 15:08:09 -0000 X-Priority: 3 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 116bB3-0006tw-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:47:29 +0100 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com ([198.81.17.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 116bB2-0006tp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:47:28 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.25) id lOEJa01152 (578) for ; Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:45:15 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <16d21cb2.24c5e57b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 10:45:15 EDT Subject: Re: LF: ERP and all that jazz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 70 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sender: In a message dated 99-07-19 09:08:45 EDT, PA0SE writes: << Maybe it is better to avoid using e.r.p. at all. What you could use is e.i.r.p. . . . . >> Yes, I believe this is far better. EIRP is already the equivalent of the "eurowatt." It is the measure used in nearly all commercial situations now. If you know EIRP in the direction of interest, it is not necessary to know anything about the transmitting antenna (except its location, of course) in order to predict field strengths along a given path. Or, conversely, if field strength can be measured, EIRP can be determined without reference to antenna type. Hence, EIRP is easier to deal with and can be applied almost universally. In the U.S., because the FCC already specifies EIRP for the radiated power of most services, our LF ham bands are likely to be limited to 200 W TPO and a maximum of 2 W EIRP, assuming something similar to the ARRL petition is adopted. This means that (if we have reason to suspect our antennae are anywhere near one percent efficient) we will have to find the direction of strongest radiation from the antenna, and determine EIRP by measurement in that direction. However, it will be far more practical to do this than to make guesses about ground system losses and relative gain versus a dipole, etc. Although amateurs have tended to use the term ERP rather loosely, and I'm not at all sure what each administration actually implemented, didn't the CEPT recommend the power limit on 136 kHz in terms of EIRP? 73, John KD4IDY