Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.97.135]) by air-md07.mail.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILINMD074-8b8f4db6873a88; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:50:02 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mk03.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 432DD38000089; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QEdwr-0000Ab-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:48:45 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QEdwr-0000AS-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:48:45 +0100 Received: from nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.183.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QEdwr-00063L-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:48:45 +0100 Received: from [217.146.183.182] by nm19.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2011 08:48:39 -0000 Received: from [217.146.183.179] by tm13.bullet.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2011 08:48:39 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Apr 2011 08:48:39 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 309482.47172.bm@omp1020.mail.ukl.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 95958 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2011 08:48:39 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.co.uk; s=s1024; t=1303807719; bh=EBRzHkDaTnLvW/onTc09+1yEvktaPUSrpVREdjzqjHg=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=6kLDGgs8GnsmGZQVHdTerCQ8YR/jFIW1QjV3Vh/SoblSGqR89pgiu03zws5UQjWlFd3Vzefgc91cRjDWwwSDQkgMSt4GQB0qDPea9EWTKxRc7qRNDkFvJWwKXiyqyCyueZBiV5F7LkNxSEZ9NyIsnov10jQJ/1fX/3f9xfJzTcw= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=MXDMZmveofBWqEcGqWB4r7Df+a4NbtMGacaw5uHe21yxLpuVFP9T5KpZcCSncj5A5dyh1Vq9KpvuDkBoTV1bdyWA9wIM9YP378Q0Selgucq2UX5BSUKV3lT4tF0+CDICP0BSEd5b+fpkfbbzxdc+M4PdD9QIJx7qDHHVyfP+65g=; Message-ID: <169645.77665.qm@web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DJ4RSqsVM1ksvFheuJOPHwoz4J2PXWrz3wTMJtFMoHaJ0aw 06dlAzBUgy5oxfRUmSLkSzR60vR9a_L.wcFa3zNn0U1JYV7GVGo0UebWcu.a 1zw2bhi4TWQgVfK_YaqTCNWw88JT7PcPfH2kYqCppBBf8sKfzJjrR9lAoooO xAigGm3Bboufb4z4kzzgU9rauW9sewrLhbox8DE26scilT0HR4l43DA.I5L8 xW7V8BwkW0TT7VFEm5nw0O4ML9.HwDAYvacQAsIv1H0YhwUZ1QGL7cjWarNn Cwbx2g0Olu6SyBwoYnfvBY4UdjOcXg0.DSWhpmae7p.PQxCdJN7_fEVcD.oX .zA-- Received: from [86.134.236.136] by web28103.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:48:38 BST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: <003601cc03e2$3c605460$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 09:48:38 +0100 (BST) From: M0FMT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <003601cc03e2$3c605460$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) Subject: Re: LF: PLAYED OUT Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1988801716-1303807718=:77665" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.3 required=5.0 tests=AMATEUR_PORN,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d301.2 ; domain : yahoo.co.uk DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d61874db687382b0a X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none --0-1988801716-1303807718=:77665 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mal Yes activity on the bands below 160m has been low. However there is always= some=20 kind of activity going on. These frequencies are populated by a very small= and=20 specialised group=A0so=A0LF will never be like 20m on a good day. I think we are lucky to have very active stations like yourself=A0, Chris= XIZ,=20 Stefan, Markus to only name a very few who are showing what can be done by= =20 Amateur Radio ops=A0on these very low frequencies. On VLF it is very early= days=20 and I for one have been amazed at the results to date. IMHO=A0the work being done on MF/LF and VLF is real Amateur Radio. =A0I'll= bet just=20 about every Amateur who has either received a signal or transmitted a sign= al on=20 these frequencies, what ever their ability,=A0has leaned something complet= ely new=20 about radio. With Solar activity rising, the upper end of HF with its DX potential is= bound=20 to attract much more activity than these lower frequencies. The time for a change=A0within UK Amateur Radio has come but its not among= the Ops=20 and experimenters=A0in the LF part of the spectrum where the change is rea= lly=20 needed.. =A0=A0 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX=20 =A0 =A0 PS I am trying to get a 136 station together because 500 around here compl= etely=20 blows away ADSL. So hopefully we can QSO on that band soon.... vy 73. ________________________________ From: mal hamilton To: rsgb Sent: Tue, 26 April, 2011 8:19:09 Subject: LF: PLAYED OUT Activity very poor over the easter weekend on VLF/LF/MF whereas all the ot= her=20 amateur bands were buzzing and some long haul acty on 10 metres.=20 Maybe it is time to abandon the lower frequencies and concentrate on the= higher=20 end like 10, 6 and 4 metres. The results on VLF es LF es MF currently do not justify the effort, VLF ac= ty=20 from the UK especially poor=A0in spite of=A0several stations being permitt= ed to=20 operate on the 9 khz band. Time for a change!! de G3KEV --0-1988801716-1303807718=:77665 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Mal
 
Yes activity on the bands below 160m has been low. However there is= always some kind of activity going on. These frequencies are populated by= a very small and specialised group so LF will never be like 20m= on a good day.
I think we are lucky to have very active stations like yourself = , Chris XIZ, Stefan, Markus to only name a very few who are showing what= can be done by Amateur Radio ops on these very low frequencies. On= VLF it is very early days and I for one have been amazed at the results= to date.
 
IMHO the work being done on MF/LF and VLF is real Amateur Radio.=  I'll bet just about every Amateur who has either received a signal= or transmitted a signal on these frequencies, what ever their ability,&nb= sp;has leaned something completely new about radio.
 
With Solar activity rising, the upper end of HF with its DX potential= is bound to attract much more activity than these lower frequencies.
 
The time for a change within UK Amateur Radio has come but its= not among the Ops and experimenters in the LF part of the spectrum= where the change is really needed..
  

73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX

 

 

PS I am trying to get a 136 station together because 500 around here= completely blows away ADSL. So hopefully we can QSO on that band soon....= vy 73.
=

From: mal hamilton <g3k= evmal@talktalk.net>
To:<= /B> rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Tue, 26 April, 2011 8:19:09
Subject: LF: PLAYED OUT

Activity very poor over the easter weekend on VLF/= LF/MF whereas all the other amateur bands were buzzing and some long haul= acty on 10 metres.
Maybe it is time to abandon the lower frequencies= and concentrate on the higher end like 10, 6 and 4 metres.
The results on VLF es LF es MF currently do not ju= stify the effort, VLF acty from the UK especially poor in spite of&nb= sp;several stations being permitted to operate on the 9 khz band.
Time for a change!!
de G3KEV
 
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