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IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk Data: 12-gen-2019 17.58 A: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Ogg: Re: VLF: GOTA Hi Roman,=20 Unfortunately, because of the bad attitude of DF7FC, and some others regard= ing the illegal use of public infrastructures as makeshift=20 TX antennas, it's best the operating details of the experimental 1.6 Hz kit= are kept private, as this technology is to be used in other=20 radio projects.=20 Also, this tech must never be used on public utilities, and as DF7FC cannot= be trusted, I have been advised to ensure it's with-held. Sorry to be such a bore, but when dealing with irresponsible (who should kn= ow better) licenced Radio Amateurs, this is the only course=20 of action.=20 This is not in any way personal, just a way of preventing the future and po= tentially dangerous abuse of public transport and=20 power supply infrastructures. They are not intended as TX antennas, and tha= t idea is best dismissed. The RSGB and Ofcom will=20 expressly agree with not connecting a TX to any infrastructure. With very kind regards, David. From: Roman To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2019, 12:29 Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA =20 Hi David!> Hi Roman,> > The 1.6Hz ELF transmission came from Southern Engla= nd, Is it possible to tell us more details?Whats power was used in experime= nt?Whats ant for TX?Who was Operator?May be any links about it?Roman> Unfor= tunately, because of the bad attitude of DF7FC and the others, the TX> > de= tails must now be with-held. That was a team decision. The screenshot was s= ent to show that unlawful TX connexions to motorway> > guard rails, railway= infrastructure, electric / gas supply utilities and fences etc. are totall= y unnecessary for the transmitting of ELF> > signals.> > These DO NOT make = good VLF / ELF TX antennas (not designed for the job), and will only bring = trouble to the perpetrators, and> > disrepute to Amateur Radio. The RSGB an= d Ofcom would never condone this sort of illegal activity, as it's a form o= f trespassing, and> > poses public risk, and even death, if it disrupts sig= nalling / traffic signs etc..> > I hope this makes sense, and any further c= razy ideas in this direction cancelled.> > With very kind regards, David> >= From: Roman > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Sent: Th= ursday, 10 January 2019, 17:46> Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA> > Hello David!> > T= NX info about 1.6 Hz TX!> > Please inform about details!> Whats ant was use= d?> Power?> Who was an Operator if this is no secret?> > 73!> Roman, RW3ADB= > >> Attached is a screenshot of an ELF test transmission on 1.6Hz from the= UK as received on a magnetometer in Sweden. You don't need>>>> to break an= y laws, designed to keep roads and railways safe. To do so is extremely irr= esponsible, and will damage the reputation of>>>> Radio Amateurs.>>>> Just = have a suitable ELF TX method, David Hine>>>> From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3= =A1ndez >> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" >> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 18:35>> Subject: RE:= VLF: GOTA>>>> Seems that Mr.Tesla ghost surged again>> J>>>> By the way. W= e are still pending to see your signal bouncing around the earth. But obvio= usly you are busy performing cops>> games>>>> and teaching the golden rules= to anyone who dares to experiment. That simply confirms what we tought abo= ut your promised>>>> experiments in ELF. Absolute FAKE>>>> N-I-L-L>>>> N-I-= C-H-T-S>>>> N-A-D-A>>>> N-I-E-N-T-E>>>> That=E2=80=99s all you can contribu= te to this reflector. Your lawyer advices sound nice, but we really don=E2= =80=99t neew more lawyers>> or spectrum regulators here>>>> Anyway, you can= write it in the instruction manual of your Tesla transmitting machine, whe= n ready>>>> Pioneering in ELF needs some courage that you (obviously) don= =E2=80=99t have at your elderly and bet, never had in your real life>> (if = any)>>>> Please Mr.Tesla, make a favour to this reflector and just write ba= ck when you be on air>>>> 73 de Luis>>>> EA5DOM>>>> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]>> En nombre de = David Hine>>>> Enviado el: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 09 de enero de 2019 9:58>>>> Par= a: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>>>> Asunto: Re: VLF: GOTA>>>> Stefan, with = greatest respect, none of my radio activities are illegal. They don't need = to be. It's illegal in the UK to>> use ANY public or other supply, motorway= , railway and other utility infrastructure for connecting to unknown radio = equipment. It must be the same in Germany too. That's in the 'small print'.= Modern digital signalling is often very susceptible to RF interference.>>>= > If it's on private land, the permission of that land owner must first be = granted.>>>> It's all common sense -would you like anyone to creep into you= r back yard and erect an antenna without your permission??>>>> This sort of= activity damages Amateur and experimental radio. NOV licences can be obtai= ned, if you think you need to do>> special or unusual radio researches.>>>>= I bet you dare not ask your local authority if you can use public road gui= de rails for transmitting antennas -if you have,>> and they granted full pe= rmission, then you have made a real advancement in radio. Ask your Radio So= ciety what they think about this.>>>> I am not trying to be difficult, but = you risk your radio licence and also risk jail if things go badly wrong on = a public>> highway or railway due to illicit use in this way, and also the = reputation of other Radio Amateurs. You also 'put yourself 'in the frame' i= f an accident occurs that you did not cause -someone has to 'carry the can'= , and it could be you if a camera 'spotted'>> you. The 'utilities' display = trespass notices, which if you ignore, makes it extremely easy for them to = say "See you in court!!".>>>> With very kind regards, David Hine>>>> From: = DK7FC >>>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>>>> Sen= t: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 7:25>>>> Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA>>>> Ooh you s= eem to be one of the experts when it comes to 'Do not' and 'forbidden'. Do = you at least know why your (whole?) life is controlled>> by fears? Posttrau= matic symptoms of a very dictatorial, violent childhood? I hope you worked = that out.>>>> Try to lead yourselfe by ideas and visions, by 'want to' or '= would like to', not by fear and 'must not', 'have to', 'should' and 'should= not'.>>>> Also i clearly see you didn't follow the recent successes with g= uide-rail antennas on VLF and ULF, probably because you're tyrelessly worki= ng on your 'Tesla' TX antenna:>>>> Am 10.02.2018 18:30, schrieb David Hine:= >>>>> I will also set up a broadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave= broadcasting band (LF), using it to transmit music as a testing programme.= >>>>>> When it's all up and running on VLF / LF, I will put out various tes= t signals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'.>>>> That's almost a year ago= . Now, where is the signal? W H E R E ?? Let's compare which antenna works = better. The grabbers are watching.>>>> 73, Stefan>>>> Am 08.01.2019 23:44, = schrieb David Hine:>>>>> Do not be tempted to use railway lines, motorway b= arriers, fences etc. for connection to radio transmitters. This is strictly= >>> forbidden, and>>>>>> if caught, you could end up in jail plus a huge fi= ne. These structures all make rubbish antennas for VLF, so will never>>> pe= rform well, as>>>>>> the losses are extremely high, and so will never radia= te a useful VLF signal. Never be tempted use any public 'infrastructure'>>>= as an>>>>>> antenna -it just does not work, and will be a waste of effort.= >>>>>> Regards, David Hine>>>>>> From: DK7FC>>> >>>= >>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2019, 2= 2:26>>>>>> Subject: VLF: GOTA>>>>>> Hi VLF,>>>>>> You probably know:>>>>>> = IOTA - Islands On The Air>>>>>> SOTA - Summits On The Air>>>>>> but did you= know>>>>>> GOTA - Guide-rails On The Air ??!!>>>>>> The year 2019 should b= e the year of GOTA! Try it out. You can do it! No>>>>>> excuses like proble= ms with the large coils, the high voltages, the XYL>>>>>> occupying the gar= den. Just go out, take a walk, and see what you can do>>>>>> with some wire= and a transmitter and some other equipment! :-)>>>>>> 73, Stefan> --> 73!>= > Roman, RW3ADB-- 73!Roman, RW3ADB =20 ------=_Part_11901_2448326.1547318044726 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hahaha

obviously this elite technology may not be shared

oh = my dog...

IK1HSS

----Messaggio originale----
Da: evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk
Data: 12-gen-2019 17.58
A: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Ogg: Re: VLF: GOTA

Hi Roman, 

Unfortunately, because of the bad attitude of DF7FC, = and some others regarding the illegal use of public infrastructures as make= shift 

TX antennas, = it's best the operating details of the experimental 1.6 Hz kit are kept pri= vate, as this technology is to be used in other 

radio projects. 

Also, this tech must neve= r be used on public utilities, and as DF7FC cannot be trusted, I have been = advised to ensure it's with-held.

Sorry to be such a bore, but when dealing with irrespo= nsible (who should know better) licenced Radio Amateurs, this is the only c= ourse 

o= f action. 

This is not in any way personal, just a way of preventing the future a= nd potentially dangerous abuse of public transport and 

power supply infrastructu= res. They are not intended as TX antennas, and that idea is best dismissed.= The RSGB and Ofcom will 

expressly agree with not connecting a TX to any infrastru= cture.
With v= ery kind regards,

David.

<= br>


F= rom: Roman <rw3adb@YANDEX.ru>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Saturday, 12 January 2019, 12:29=
Subject: Re: VLF: GOT= A

Hi David!

> Hi Roman,>
> The 1.6Hz ELF transmission cam= e from Southern England,

Is it possib= le to tell us more details?
Whats power was used in exper= iment?
Whats ant for TX?
Who was Operat= or?
May be any links about it?

Roman

> Unfortunately, b= ecause of the bad attitude of DF7FC and the others, the TX
>
> details must now be with-held. That was a te= am decision. The screenshot was sent to show that unlawful TX connexions to= motorway
>
> guard rails, railw= ay infrastructure, electric / gas supply utilities and fences etc. are tota= lly unnecessary for the transmitting of ELF
>
> signals.
>
> The= se DO NOT make good VLF / ELF TX antennas (not designed for the job), and w= ill only bring trouble to the perpetrators, and
>
> disrepute to Amateur Radio. The RSGB and Ofcom would ne= ver condone this sort of illegal activity, as it's a form of trespassing, a= nd
>
> poses public risk, and ev= en death, if it disrupts signalling / traffic signs etc..
>
> I hope this makes sense, and any further craz= y ideas in this direction cancelled.
>
> With very kind regards, David
>
> From: Roman <rw3adb@YANDEX.ru>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blackshee= p.org
> Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2019, 17:46
> Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA
>
> Hello David!
>
> = TNX info about 1.6 Hz TX!
>
> Pl= ease inform about details!
> Whats ant was used?
> Power?
> Who was an Operator if this= is no secret?
>
> 73!
> Roman, RW3ADB
>
>= > Attached is a screenshot of an ELF test transmission on 1.6Hz from the= UK as received on a magnetometer in Sweden. You don't need
>>
>> to break any laws, designed to keep = roads and railways safe. To do so is extremely irresponsible, and will dama= ge the reputation of
>>
>> = Radio Amateurs.
>>
>> Just = have a suitable ELF TX method, David Hine
>>
>> From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez <lui= s@vigilant.es>
>> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>&g= t; Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 18:35
>> Subjec= t: RE: VLF: GOTA
>>
>> Seem= s that Mr.Tesla ghost surged again
>> J
>>
>> By the way. We are still pending= to see your signal bouncing around the earth. But obviously you are busy p= erforming cops
>> games
>><= br clear=3D"none">>> and teaching the golden rules to anyone who dare= s to experiment. That simply confirms what we tought about your promised>>
>> experiments in ELF. Abs= olute FAKE
>>
>> N-I-L-L>>
>> N-I-C-H-T-S
>>
>> N-A-D-A
>&g= t;
>> N-I-E-N-T-E
>>
>> That=E2=80=99s all you can contribute to this reflecto= r. Your lawyer advices sound nice, but we really don=E2=80=99t neew more la= wyers
>> or spectrum regulators here
>>
>> Anyway, you can write it in the ins= truction manual of your Tesla transmitting machine, when ready
>>
>> Pioneering in ELF needs some cour= age that you (obviously) don=E2=80=99t have at your elderly and bet, never = had in your real life
>> (if any)
>>
>> Please Mr.Tesla, make a favour to this= reflector and just write back when you be on air
>>= ;
>> 73 de Luis
>>
>> EA5DOM
>>
>= > De: owner-rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]
>> En nom= bre de David Hine
>>
>> Env= iado el: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 09 de enero de 2019 9:58
>>= ;
>> Para: rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>
&= gt;> Asunto: Re: VLF: GOTA
>>
= >> Stefan, with greatest respect, none of my radio activities are ill= egal. They don't need to be. It's illegal in the UK to
&g= t;> use ANY public or other supply, motorway, railway and other utility = infrastructure for connecting to unknown radio equipment. It must be the sa= me in Germany too. That's in the 'small print'. Modern digital signalling i= s often very susceptible to RF interference.
>>
>> If it's on private land, the permission of that lan= d owner must first be granted.
>>
>> It's all common sense -would you like anyone to creep into your b= ack yard and erect an antenna without your permission??
&= gt;>
>> This sort of activity damages Amateur an= d experimental radio. NOV licences can be obtained, if you think you need t= o do
>> special or unusual radio researches.
>>
>> I bet you dare not ask your= local authority if you can use public road guide rails for transmitting an= tennas -if you have,
>> and they granted full permi= ssion, then you have made a real advancement in radio. Ask your Radio Socie= ty what they think about this.
>>
>> I am not trying to be difficult, but you risk your radio licence = and also risk jail if things go badly wrong on a public
&= gt;> highway or railway due to illicit use in this way, and also the rep= utation of other Radio Amateurs. You also 'put yourself 'in the frame' if a= n accident occurs that you did not cause -someone has to 'carry the can', a= nd it could be you if a camera 'spotted'
>> you. Th= e 'utilities' display trespass notices, which if you ignore, makes it extre= mely easy for them to say "See you in court!!".
>><= br clear=3D"none">>> With very kind regards, David Hine
>>
>> From: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
>>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@bla= cksheep.org
>>
>> Sent:= Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 7:25
>>
>> Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA
>>
>> Ooh you seem to be one of the experts when it comes to 'Do no= t' and 'forbidden'. Do you at least know why your (whole?) life is controll= ed
>> by fears? Posttraumatic symptoms of a very di= ctatorial, violent childhood? I hope you worked that out.
>>
>> Try to lead yourselfe by ideas and vis= ions, by 'want to' or 'would like to', not by fear and 'must not', 'have to= ', 'should' and 'should not'.
>>
= >> Also i clearly see you didn't follow the recent successes with gui= de-rail antennas on VLF and ULF, probably because you're tyrelessly working= on your 'Tesla' TX antenna:
>>
&= gt;> Am 10.02.2018 18:30, schrieb David Hine:
>>=
>>> I will also set up a broadcast (AM Modulate= d) signal in the Long Wave broadcasting band (LF), using it to transmit mus= ic as a testing programme.
>>>
>>> When it's all up and running on VLF / LF, I will put out vari= ous test signals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'.
>= ;>
>> That's almost a year ago. Now, where is th= e signal? W H E R E ?? Let's compare which antenna works better. The grabbe= rs are watching.
>>
>> 73, = Stefan
>>
>> Am 08.01.2019 = 23:44, schrieb David Hine:
>>
>= ;>> Do not be tempted to use railway lines, motorway barriers, fences= etc. for connection to radio transmitters. This is strictly
>>> forbidden, and
>>>
>>> if caught, you could end up in jail plus a huge fine. Th= ese structures all make rubbish antennas for VLF, so will never
>>> perform well, as
>>>
>>> the losses are extremely high, and so will never ra= diate a useful VLF signal. Never be tempted use any public 'infrastructure'=
>>> as an
>>>
>>> antenna -it just does not work, and will be a wast= e of effort.
>>>
>>> = Regards, David Hine
>>>
>&g= t;> From: DK7FC
>>> <selberdenken@posteo.de>
>>>
>>> To: rsgb_lf_grou= p@blacksheep.org
>>>
>&= gt;> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2019, 22:26
>>>=
>>> Subject: VLF: GOTA
>&g= t;>
>>> Hi VLF,
>>>= ;
>>> You probably know:
>&= gt;>
>>> IOTA - Islands On The Air
>>>
>>> SOTA - Summits On The= Air
>>>
>>> but did = you know
>>>
>>> GOTA= - Guide-rails On The Air ??!!
>>>
>>> The year 2019 should be the year of GOTA! Try it out. You= can do it! No
>>>
>>>= ; excuses like problems with the large coils, the high voltages, the XYL>>>
>>> occupying the g= arden. Just go out, take a walk, and see what you can do
= >>>
>>> with some wire and a transmitte= r and some other equipment! :-)
>>>
>>> 73, Stefan

> --
> 73!
&g= t;
> Roman, RW3ADB
--
73!
Roman, RW3ADB





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