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(since 1600 UTC) 73, Marco IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: marcocadeddu@tin.it [...] Content analysis details: (-0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [212.216.176.195 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (marcocadeddu[at]tin.it) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: 721d7dc475d7c3cfbcd8369093416177 Subject: R: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_10966_7317911.1539447407120" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_10966_7317911.1539447407120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loud and clear now on WSPR Riccardo! (since 1600 UTC) 73, Marco IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: marcocadeddu@tin.it Data: 13-ott-2018 17.40 A: Ogg: R: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz Hi Riccardo, probably your messagge answers the question I was placing on the reflector!= :-) I fixed my DC receiver for 137 ( a stressed and then truncated coax feeding= the LO ... nuts hihi ) and since early afternoon I was looking a strong ca= rrier on 137490 plus something similar in timing to WSPR but without decode= although the strenght... Now I know the setup functiond (I had 2 decodes of WSPR of Chris transmissi= ons) but I was still wondering of that huge signal without decode! Have a nice week end on LF 73, Marco IK1HSS ----Messaggio originale---- Da: riccardozoli80@gmail.com Data: 13-ott-2018 14.29 A: "LF Group" Ogg: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz Thanks Markus for report! I'm enjoying with "high bit rate" EbNaut with Dom= enico. I'm trying now 60 ch. with 0.05 s./sym. every 10 minutes. starting a= t 12:30 UTC. 73 de Riccardo IW4DXW Il Sab 13 Ott 2018, 13:43 Markus Vester ha scritto: Ric now running 30 characters 0.1 s symbols - Gotcha ;-) 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: So, 7. Okt 2018 12:17 Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz I ran an EbNaut beacon for almost 24h, since 10.00 UT of yesterday, for te= sting the repaired Tx antenna and ground system.I have monitored Both 'D' g= rabbers and they worked fine. I have obtained a lot of decodes. So very goo= d job Markus with the integration of Window's programs SL and EbNaut-rx. I = supposed you made some modifications at your previous EbNaut tools . Thanks= for the new grabbers.Tx setup here : SSB exciter frequency controlled by t= he old Jupiter GPS, 100 W PA, a small inv-L antenna (8 + 8 meters) and lin= ux program EbSynth by P.Nicholson. Time reference given by the same GPS usi= ng 'gdps' and 'chronyc' programs.In the night i have also received, in the = other 30-minutes time slot, Ebnaut messages from Riccardo IW4DXW. Thanks R= ick.Luis wrote:=20 Similar grabber for JT9 MF would be a great idea. Yes. It is a good idea. So based on similar job already running (auto- wsp= r) , i have added such auto-decoder in my website:https://www.qsl.net/iz7sl= z/WSPR/JT9DECODED.TXTIt uses the same RX setup (RECEIVER JRC NRD-92M GPS re= ferenced and miniwhip antenna) for recording the wspr band. Reception is ve= ry bad during the day but in nightime there is possibility to pick up signa= ls from Central Europe.So i invite the MF operators to test this grabber.Th= anks in advance.73, Domenico IZ7SLZ On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 12:13, VIGILANT L= uis Fern=C3=A1ndez wrote: Hi EbNaut Congratulations to both ! :-) This will be a funny tool and a great help for newcomers to EbNaut, as Tx i= s the easy part of the game Will be joining the "grabbepeater" as soon as I modify my D class PA for tr= ue 180=C2=BA phase modulation Similar grabber for JT9 MF would be a great idea. I can reach easily centra= l EU in MF but can not receive many of the stations. Last time I tried a CW activity night it was frustrat= ing to receive in remote SDRs central EU stations answering back and nothing here. Not just a matter of R= x noise. Many stations do not have enought ERP to reach. So finally decided to use the SDR for QSO an= d it was fun Yes, of course, this are not IARU blessed QSOs, but real FUN QSOs. And FUN = is a must to increase interest in this bands. We are in 21 century and ham radio also changed. We= shouldn't be so square minded to just think in therms of awards and standar QSOs. This is not HF. = Same standards shouln't apply Experimental bands are to experiment and try different aproaches with diffe= rent rules. Not to run the same old style HF QSOs, contests, awards and all that stuff My two cents ! ;-) 73 de Luis EA5DOM De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]= en nombre de Markus Vester [markusvester@aol.com] Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 6 de octubre de 2018 9:17 Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Asunto: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz Last night, Domenico IZ7SLZ and myself had an unscheduled EbNaut two-way co= ntact ;-) Well not quite a QSO, as we didn't exchange reports etc. I had se= nt a couple of 6-character messages into the blue before going to bed, and = was pleasantly surprised this morning to find Dom's replies on all three automatic decoders.=20 Attached 477 uHz spectrogram from DL0AO shows both EbNaut signals, along wi= th a few other WSPR and Opera transmissions, and 6.25 Hz spaced Loran lines= from Slonim. Note that the receive level of nearby stations (DK1IS and DF6= NM) is being reduced by SpecLab's frequency-selective limiter to avoid overloading and noiseblanker artifact= s. Thank you very much Dom! Now we're hoping for more and distant signals, lik= e from Spain or U.S. ;-) 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Markus Vester An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Mi, 3. Okt 2018 14:46 Betreff: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz After some playing around, we are running an experimental EbNaut autodecode= r at DL0AO and DF6NM under Windows. Receive parameters are currently 137490.000 Hz, 6 char, 3 s, 8K19A crc 16, start hh:00 and hh:30 and preliminary results can be found here (scroll to bottom): DL0AO: https://vlf.u01.de/LF/LFgrabber/ebnautresults.txt DF6NM: http://df6nm.darc.de/opds/ebnautresults.txt This is nowhere near as perfect as Domenico's Linux solution, and our softw= are contraption is nowhere near a stable state. Anyhow a few test transmiss= ions with a couple of microwatts radiated power lead to useful decodes, and= a trace also appeared in the opds spectrogram at DK7FC. It would be nice to find some more signals later... Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Di, 2. Okt 2018 1:18 Betreff: Re: LF: 2200M EbNaut Beacon LF EbNauters, thanks to Markus and Stefan for the comments and to Rob for putting on air = a very good signal. I was also surprised to see the decode achieved by the auto-decoder without= any time and frequency offset ! Propagation conditions are becoming better, but noise here is still high. I tried a deep investigation: no further decode, but with an offset of -0.= 0001 Hz and +0.005s (ooops !) i have improved the 2018-09-30_03:00 UT decod= e: initial reference phase -62.3 amplitude 2.049e-01 phase 0 0 0 0 0 carrier phase: -6.9 deg carrier Eb/N0: 0.5 dB carrier Es/N0: -10.10 dB carrier S/N: 19.87 dB in 672.0 uHz, -11.86 dB in 1Hz, -45.84 dB in 2.5kHz elapsed 58 found rank 43 ber 3.4980e-01 Eb/N0 -0.6 M -7.389708042e+00 ph 0 0,0,0,0 [K3= RWR_FM18QI_73] Looking on the October 1st recordings, with these offsets, i got another d= ecode at 02:30 UT: initial reference phase -6.6 amplitude 2.356e-01 phase 0 0 0 0 0 carrier phase: -1.2 deg carrier Eb/N0: 0.4 dB carrier Es/N0: -10.23 dB carrier S/N: 19.74 dB in 672.0 uHz, -11.99 dB in 1Hz, -45.97 dB in 2.5kHz elapsed 58 found rank 84 ber 3.6694e-01 Eb/N0 -1.7 M -7.504411221e+00 ph 0 0,0,0,0 [K3= RWR_FM18QI_73] QRB is about 7600 km. Working conditions here, (vintage =F0=9F=98=80) as usual: - miniwhip (a modified ex-Navtex antenna from Furuno ; see attachment) - receiver JRC NRD-92M with external 10 MHz reference signal steered by GP= S - a modest PC (Intel P4 CPU 3.50GHz x2) from scrap with Ubuntu 14.04LTS - software vlfrx-tool from Paul Nicholson. I have attached also the latest version of the bash './autoebnaut' i.e. th= e list of the commands that recall vlfrx-tool programs to start the decoder= each 30 minutes. Other linux programs are running in background: - vtcard and vttime to manage and calibrate the audio card - vtwrite to store audio coming from receiver - gpsd and chrony to manage the nmea and 1pps from neo8 gps (connected at s= erial COM1) and adjusting the PC clock. 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ=20 =20 ------=_Part_10966_7317911.1539447407120 Content-Type: text/html;charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Loud and clear now on WSPR Riccardo!
(since 1600 UTC)
73, Marco IK1HS= S


----Messaggio originale----
Da: marcocadeddu@tin.it
Data: 13-ott-2018 17.40
A: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Ogg: R: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz

Hi Riccardo,

probably your messagge answers the question I was placi= ng on the reflector! :-)
I fixed my DC receiver for 137 ( a stressed and= then truncated coax feeding the LO ... nuts hihi ) and since early afterno= on I was looking a strong carrier on 137490 plus something similar in timin= g to WSPR but without decode although the strenght...
Now I know the set= up functiond (I had 2 decodes of WSPR of Chris transmissions) but I was sti= ll wondering of that huge signal without decode!

Have a nice week en= d on LF

73, Marco IK1HSS

----Messaggio originale----
Da: riccardozoli80@gmail.com
Data: 13-ott-2018 14.29
A: "LF Group"<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Ogg: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz


Thanks Mark= us for report! I'm enjoying with "high bit rate" EbNaut with Domenico. I'm = trying now 60 ch. with 0.05 s./sym. every 10 minutes. starting at 12:30 UTC= .

73 de Riccardo IW4DXW<= /div>

Il Sab 13 Ott 20= 18, 13:43 Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> ha scritto:
=
Ric now running 30 charact= ers 0.1 s symbols - Gotcha ;-)

73, Markus (DF6NM)


-----Ur= spr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: So, 7. Okt 201= 8 12:17
Betreff: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz


I ran an EbN= aut beacon for almost 24h, since 10.00 UT of yesterday,  for testing t= he repaired Tx antenna and ground system.
I ha= ve monitored Both 'D' grabbers and they worked fine. I have obtained a lot = of decodes. So very good job Markus with the integration of Window's progra= ms SL and EbNaut-rx. I supposed you made some modifications at your previou= s EbNaut tools . Thanks for the new grabbers.
=
Tx setup here : SSB exciter frequency control= led by the old Jupiter GPS, 100 W PA, a small inv-L antenna (8 + 8 meters)&= nbsp; and linux program EbSynth by P.Nicholson. Time reference given by the= same GPS using 'gdps' and 'chronyc' programs.

In the night i have also received, in the other 30-minutes time= slot,  Ebnaut messages from Riccardo IW4DXW. Thanks Rick.
<= br clear=3D"none">
Luis wrote:
&n= bsp; Similar grabber for JT9 MF would be a great = idea.

Yes. It is a good idea. So based = on similar job already running (auto- wspr) , i have added such auto-decode= r in my website:


It uses th= e same RX setup (RECEIVER JRC NRD-92M GPS referenced and miniwhip antenna) = for recording the wspr band. Reception is very bad during the day but in ni= ghtime there is possibility to pick up signals from Central Europe.

So i invite the MF operators to test this = grabber.

Thanks in advance.

73, Domenico IZ7SLZ






On Sat, 6= Oct 2018 at 12:13, VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez <luis@vigilant.es> wrote:
Hi EbNaut

Congratulations to both ! :-)

This will be a funny tool and a great help for newcomers to EbNaut, as= Tx is the easy part of the game
Will be joining the "grabbepeater" as s= oon as I modify my D class PA for true 180=C2=BA phase modulation

Similar grabber for JT9 MF would be a g= reat idea. I can reach easily central EU in MF but can not receive
many of the stations. Last time I tried= a CW activity night it was frustrating to receive in remote SDRs
central EU stations answering back and nothing here. Not just a matter= of Rx noise. Many stations do
not have enought ERP to reach. So finally decided to use the SDR for Q= SO and it was fun

Yes, of course, this are not IARU bless= ed QSOs, but real FUN QSOs. And FUN is a must to increase
interest in this bands. We are in 21 ce= ntury and ham radio also changed. We shouldn't be so square
minded to just think in therms of award= s and standar QSOs. This is not HF. Same standards shouln't apply
Experimental bands are to experiment and try different aproaches with = different rules. Not to run the same
old style HF QSOs, contests, award= s and all that stuff

My two cents ! ;-)


73 de Luis
EA5DOM

De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] en nombre de Markus Vester [markusvester@aol.com]
Enviado: s=C3=A1bado, 6 de octubre de 2018 9:17
Para: rsgb_l= f_group@blacksheep.org
Asunto: Re: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz

Last night, Domenico IZ7SLZ and myself had an unscheduled Eb= Naut two-way contact ;-) Well not quite a QSO, as we didn't exchange report= s etc. I had sent a couple of 6-character messages into the blue before goi= ng to bed, and was pleasantly surprised this morning to find Dom's replies on all three automatic decoders.

Attached 477 uHz spectrogram from DL0AO shows both EbNaut signals, along wi= th a few other WSPR and Opera transmissions, and 6.25 Hz spaced Loran lines= from Slonim. Note that the receive level of nearby stations (DK1= IS and DF6NM) is being reduced by SpecLab's frequency-selective limiter to avoid overloading and noiseblanker artifact= s.

Thank you very much Dom! Now we're hoping for more and distant signals, lik= e from Spain or U.S. ;-)

73, Markus (DF6NM)


-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Markus Vester <mark= usvester@aol.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Mi, 3. Okt 2018 14:46
Betreff: LF: EbNaut Autodecoder 137490 Hz

After some playing around, we are running an experimental EbNaut autod= ecoder at DL0AO and DF6NM under Windows. Receive parameters are c= urrently
 137490.000 Hz, 6 char, 3 s, 8K19A crc 16, start hh:00 and hh:30
and preliminary results can be found here (scroll to bottom):
DL0AO: https://vlf.u01.de/LF/LFgrabber/ebnautresults.txt<= br clear=3D"none"> DF6NM: http://df6nm.darc.de/opds/ebnautresults.txt

This is nowhere near as perfect as Domenico's Linux solution, and our softw= are contraption is nowhere near a stable state. Anyhow a&nbs= p;few test transmissions with a couple of microwatts radiated pow= er lead to useful decodes, and a trace also appeared in the opds spectrogram at DK7FC. It would be nice to find some more signals= later...

Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)

-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: Domenico IZ7SLZ <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Di, 2. Okt 2018 1:18
Betreff: Re: LF: 2200M EbNaut Beacon

LF EbNauters,

thanks to Markus and Stefan for the comments and to Rob for putting on= air a very good signal.
I was also surprised to see the decode achieved by the auto-decoder wi= thout any time and frequency offset !
Propagation conditions are becoming better, but noise here is still hi= gh.
I tried a deep investigation: no further decode,  but with an off= set of -0.0001 Hz and +0.005s (ooops !) i have improved the 2018-09-30= _03:00 UT decode:

initial reference phase -62.3 amplitude 2.049e-01
phase   0    0    0  &nbs= p; 0    0
carrier phase: -6.9 deg
carrier Eb/N0: 0.5 dB
carrier Es/N0: -10.10 dB
carrier S/N: 19.87 dB in 672.0 uHz, -11.86 dB in 1Hz, -45.84 dB in 2.5kHz elapsed 58
found rank 43 ber 3.4980e-01 Eb/N0 -0.6 M -7.389708042e+00 ph 0 0,0,0,0 [K3= RWR_FM18QI_73]

Looking on the October 1st recordings, with these offsets,  i got= another decode at 02:30 UT:

initial reference phase -6.6 amplitude 2.356e-01
phase   0    0    0  &nbs= p; 0    0
carrier phase: -1.2 deg
carrier Eb/N0: 0.4 dB
carrier Es/N0: -10.23 dB
carrier S/N: 19.74 dB in 672.0 uHz, -11.99 dB in 1Hz, -45.97 dB in 2.5kHz elapsed 58
found rank 84 ber 3.6694e-01 Eb/N0 -1.7 M -7.504411221e+00 ph 0 0,0,0,0 [K3= RWR_FM18QI_73]

QRB  is about 7600 km.

Working conditions here, (vintage =F0=9F=98=80) as usual:
- miniwhip (a modified ex-Navtex antenna from Furuno ; see attachment)=
- receiver JRC NRD-92M with external 10 MHz reference signal steered b= y  GPS
- a modest PC (Intel P4 CPU 3.50GHz x2) from scrap with Ubuntu 14.04LT= S
- software vlfrx-tool from Paul Nicholson.

I have attached also the latest version of  the bash './autoebnau= t' i.e. the list of the commands that recall vlfrx-tool programs to start t= he decoder each 30 minutes.
Other linux programs are running in background:
- vtcard and vttime to manage and calibrate the audio card
- vtwrite to store audio coming from receiver
- gpsd and chrony to manage the nmea and 1pps from neo8 gps (connected= at serial COM1) and adjusting the PC clock.


73, Domenico IZ7SLZ


 




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