Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mp02.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 7E8DA380000C5; Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:32:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RvbHD-0001mU-Cw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:11:35 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RvbHC-0001mL-Mn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:11:34 +0000 Received: from nm1-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.94]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RvbHA-00031G-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 21:11:34 +0000 Received: from [212.82.108.231] by nm1.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2012 21:11:26 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.226] by tm4.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2012 21:11:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Feb 2012 21:11:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 875360.97054.bm@omp1003.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 29354 invoked from network); 9 Feb 2012 21:11:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=G2aPnFf+Y+Kg0dvk8rcoUWpCTbj7l0cmNa+vzzfh4xZiN14Y3Zz91YcY08zFNyNaIuwXp4m6tLd5BV8JUqu39DK1MuAzRjjalAIPxVGiXtHLCdEOxLEUQGGoDc7nVlf6oz4FhhYLljf56QDYnjFl+/RuKKcNWvCWoCjDebzzjmA= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btopenworld.com; s=s1024; t=1328821886; bh=PgwZR1oX/4FHTgDj2EWXWQzLuD1STXRGRqeNY5nKCZ4=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=hUnpPItTePQ3gGQrGSMyTD6wLSFbkrDDpOOyhBQLcRyeeKw5tydcHjIk+K7wcB0it2uiWUUgS2jzt+hoazCdL9tp13w7C6TXupoDXlkqcC3TtqH8Dsa6glxA2e4pb8FtHiqv3YJLDqOMonFu0ShfJgkO2CM+IWMKcoQhXDSysps= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: KJmuMFYVM1mO3ydldT03LWQ88XGV3JnhL9yIjBYh84CzJ_d PR9wZYGM28EKcRwzD58TfbVdxFmmTQa8S_X._Cmosvtc48Yh626HTW6I2VfZ NJDA3rjbLznDS6YOODKYamfJFTysg3f_mU7dsVGcf8_8gvEM7PjuC2t639_0 SCwsTmlzWeGsRxLlZPcaulrRe6IeMOMgymkNmjcxixXqJOwHn4gfAMBTsMLz TYh7ZE.D8nN18kojOWpwwQodCrY6wRJIk5FpMWuH2UF6C2TUBeTJKkcYfkxn 6Ulx4dY9UV5a9qen1zYEmF.1p_.54SDxkG_SPgCrPNQRBOlFpSVBXYOUfbag 3.OZkVgZ6GigXxl88iMbsqPu3L.RTwmzOwslTJwy5rI_LJde9qO6YUYn6YeM Q7IidNKrjhCI5K4VXsfC_mTyB9KnK X-Yahoo-SMTP: Cxhli3eswBD1ozmtAojhjrja86kWx0Qm9tycD5QR1DKWrOLgjJcXkw-- Received: from JimPC (james.moritz@86.161.95.2 with login) by smtp829.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 09 Feb 2012 13:11:26 -0800 PST Message-ID: <1659D80990BC4B5482FF78B6249AACAF@JimPC> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <4F341AE5.1050704@talktalk.net> <4F342525.1050200@talktalk.net> <4F34313C.1080005@talktalk.net> In-Reply-To: <4F34313C.1080005@talktalk.net> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2012 21:11:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Cats among pigeons Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:495059424:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m015.2 ; domain : btopenworld.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1464f343b524318 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dear Eddie, LF Group, So what you are saying is that the actual SNR at the decode/no decode threshold is the same for Op8 and Op4, but that the SNR indicated by Op8 at this level is 3dB lower than that indicated by Op4? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU