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Hi Stefan,

amazing :-) simply amazing!

(I heard that somewhere in the Pentagon are getting worried...) :-D

73, Marco IK1HSS


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Da: selberdenken@posteo.de

Data: 7-ago-2018 22.29

A: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>

Ogg: Re: ULF: Experimenting on 2470 Hz and 1970 Hz


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ULF, 


With some delay here (attachment) are the spectrograms showing the
carrier transmissions in 424 uHz FFT bin width. I would say it is 'O
copy' and it clearly looks like there is some room for even longer
waves to try :-)


I already checked what Wikipedia tells about SLF,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_low_frequency 


73, Stefan


Am 06.08.2018 16:19, schrieb DK7FC:

  
Hi ULF, 

  
On Sunday, 5th 2018 i successfully crossed the far field border on 2470
Hz for the first time. That's the 121 km band. Later i even
crossed it on 1970 Hz, the 152 km band. These are two
new records of the lowest frequency signals generated by amateurs and
received in the far field. The distance between RX and TX was 55.6 km .
The far field for 2470 Hz starts at 19.4 km distance. For 1970 Hz it
starts at 24.3 km distance. The RX antenna and the TX antennas were
loops!

  
By running about 100 W (PA DC input) i managed to get 910 mA antenna
current on 2470 Hz into the earth loop in JN39WI. Here i transmitted a
plain carrier from 06:13...07:15 UTC. 

Later i QSYed to 1970 Hz and here i got 910 mA as well. The 1970 Hz
transmission took place from 07:19...08:21 UTC.

  
Despite beeing in the middle of a large forest there was good internet
connectivity and so i was able so watch my own grabber window showing
the band activity on 2470 Hz in a spectrogram of 424 uHz FFT bin width,
which is very wide for that frequency range! The spectrogram uses a
Hann window and the FFT window time is about 40 minutes, so it took
some time until a peak builts up. But already after 20 minutes i saw
that something happens! After 40 minutes the carrier transmission
reached an SNR of about 20 dB! It was a relatively quiet morning for
early August.

All the VLF stream data is stored into a ~ 12 day covering buffer so i
have the chance to optimise the filter settings and antenna mixing in a
postprocessing to achieve the best SNR from the system.

  
For the 1970 Hz transmission there was no spectrogram available but
since i had internet access and a Linux notebook available, i processed
the VLF stream data (via SSH remote access to the storage PC) during
the transmission and followed the peak's SNR building up!

  
It clearly looks like this antenna outperforms my large inverted L in
30 m above the ground, at least into the ULF range! This opens up a new
room for experimentation on the way down to DC! :-) Now i need to get
rid of these output transformers since they will become problematic for
wide-band experimentation on ULF / SLF.

  
Now, attached you can find two images showing spectrum peaks from the
two bands, out of the 55.6 km distance. The complete transmission time
is here integrated in one peak. Since the carrier S/N can also be
calculated from decoding a '*' message in EbNaut, i also show the
results for such calculation along with the whole postprocessing chain.

  
Spectrograms will be produced as well, but this will take a few hours
here...

  
73, Stefan


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Hi Stefan,<br><br>amazing :-) simply amazing!<br><br>(I heard that somewhere in the Pentagon are getting worried...) :-D<br><br>73, Marco IK1HSS<br>
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----Messaggio originale----<br>
Da: selberdenken@posteo.de<br>
Data: 7-ago-2018 22.29<br>
A: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<br>
Ogg: Re: ULF: Experimenting on 2470 Hz and 1970 Hz<br>
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ULF, <br>
<br>
With some delay here (attachment) are the spectrograms showing the
carrier transmissions in 424 uHz FFT bin width. I would say it is 'O
copy' and it clearly looks like there is some room for even longer
waves to try :-)<br>
<br>
I already checked what Wikipedia tells about SLF,
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_low_frequency">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_low_frequency</a> <br>
<br>
73, Stefan<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 06.08.2018 16:19, schrieb DK7FC:
<blockquote cite="mid:5B6858EE.4000006@posteo.de" type="cite">
  
Hi ULF, <br>
  <br>
On Sunday, 5th 2018 i successfully crossed the far field border on <b>2470
Hz</b> for the first time. That's the <b>121 km band</b>. Later i even
crossed it on <b>1970 Hz</b>, the <b>152 km band</b>. These are two
new records of the lowest frequency signals generated by amateurs and
received in the far field. The distance between RX and TX was 55.6 km .
The far field for 2470 Hz starts at 19.4 km distance. For 1970 Hz it
starts at 24.3 km distance. The RX antenna and the TX antennas were
loops!<br>
  <br>
By running about 100 W (PA DC input) i managed to get 910 mA antenna
current on 2470 Hz into the earth loop in JN39WI. Here i transmitted a
plain carrier from 06:13...07:15 UTC. <br>
Later i QSYed to 1970 Hz and here i got 910 mA as well. The 1970 Hz
transmission took place from 07:19...08:21 UTC.<br>
  <br>
Despite beeing in the middle of a large forest there was good internet
connectivity and so i was able so watch my own grabber window showing
the band activity on 2470 Hz in a spectrogram of 424 uHz FFT bin width,
which is very wide for that frequency range! The spectrogram uses a
Hann window and the FFT window time is about 40 minutes, so it took
some time until a peak builts up. But already after 20 minutes i saw
that something happens! After 40 minutes the carrier transmission
reached an SNR of about 20 dB! It was a relatively quiet morning for
early August.<br>
All the VLF stream data is stored into a ~ 12 day covering buffer so i
have the chance to optimise the filter settings and antenna mixing in a
postprocessing to achieve the best SNR from the system.<br>
  <br>
For the 1970 Hz transmission there was no spectrogram available but
since i had internet access and a Linux notebook available, i processed
the VLF stream data (via SSH remote access to the storage PC) during
the transmission and followed the peak's SNR building up!<br>
  <br>
It clearly looks like this antenna outperforms my large inverted L in
30 m above the ground, at least into the ULF range! This opens up a new
room for experimentation on the way down to DC! :-) Now i need to get
rid of these output transformers since they will become problematic for
wide-band experimentation on ULF / SLF.<br>
  <br>
Now, attached you can find two images showing spectrum peaks from the
two bands, out of the 55.6 km distance. The complete transmission time
is here integrated in one peak. Since the carrier S/N can also be
calculated from decoding a '*' message in EbNaut, i also show the
results for such calculation along with the whole postprocessing chain.<br>
  <br>
Spectrograms will be produced as well, but this will take a few hours
here...<br>
  <br>
73, Stefan<br>
</blockquote>


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