Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-dl06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id EDF9E380000E9; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1SA8iA-0007zr-R8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:43:30 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1SA8iA-0007zi-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:43:30 +0000 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1SA8i8-00070s-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:43:30 +0000 Received: from mtaout-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.69]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q2KNhMqj030436 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:43:22 -0400 Received: from White (nrbg-4d074605.pool.mediaWays.net [77.7.70.5]) by mtaout-mb05.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPA id BD7F7E000097 for ; Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <160601A6C60C4449ACF9D1E0A9BA73DF@White> From: "Markus Vester" To: References: <8CED505AF2A3E46-1FA8-1AFF2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> <8CED5062B9C2DD7-1FA8-1B02F@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:43:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1332287002; bh=+ifGlyXBfMMJ/uXXqcqqZy0eiOR8EvmU+QYVgZoLUjk=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=KmUCQEavhbxJbyrGX8WFawxJUjQxg+8qIXtH5GvvB0AXpuy5yEb3mtzNRLDI5ou8C IZ3yL1fL/NqIBpWo0LTy5YJAIZ4gE6IY4LE1j1aB7Yzn9A/fziWeC5WVAY0KDcFDbh /iHW/kds9FXY7EFKUyLmzcgumAwR/+OE+bTiMUNY= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:431917664:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Fwd: US Loran - got it! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD06FB.936AF270" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME, SEE_FOR_YOURSELF autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:468327168:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d015.2 ; domain : mx.aol.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d4ad44f69165043ba X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Dies ist eine mehrteilige Nachricht im MIME-Format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD06FB.936AF270 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's also a 8970 master emission, with the same fading history, and = about 2.4 ms earlier here than if it would come from Dana. Thus Wildwood = is currently transmitting both M and X signals.=20 Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) From: Markus Vester=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:13 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: LF: Fwd: US Loran - got it! Hey Chris, it's there! I have added five slots 8970 m,w,x,y,z to the right of my LV = display, and since 22 UT I'm indeed getting a trace in the X slot = allocated to Seneca. It's about 12 pixels (0.55 ms) late here, so either = the emission delay or the location must be wrong.=20 Someone reported that the emissions are actually from the Loran Support = Center, Wildwood NJ (Cape May, 38.9464N 74.8668W). According to Google = Earth this is 6595 km from me, 164 km further than Seneca. That's = exactly 0.55 ms extra delay! So we know that they are transmitting from = Wildwood using Seneca parameters.=20 If you like to see it yourself, you can simply add a line containing = "8970x" at the end of the stations section, after the GPS entry. Thanks for the tip! Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Chris 4X1RF An: Markus Vester Verschickt: Di, 20 Mrz 2012 2:29 pm Betreff: US Loran Hi Markus, >From the 'time-nuts' list, yesterday evening around 20UTC the 8970x = Seneca N.Y. station was reported as being active. 73s Chris ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01CD06FB.936AF270 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's also a 8970 master emission, = with the same=20 fading history, and about 2.4 ms earlier here than if it would come = from=20 Dana. Thus Wildwood is currently transmitting both M and X = signals.=20
 
Best = 73,
Markus = (DF6NM)

From: Markus Vester
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:13 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20
Subject: LF: Fwd: US Loran - got it!

Hey Chris,
 
it's there! I have added five slots 8970 m,w,x,y,z to the right of = my LV=20 display, and since 22 UT I'm indeed getting a trace in the X slot = allocated=20 to Seneca. It's about 12 pixels (0.55 ms) late here, so either the = emission=20 delay or the location must be wrong.
 
Someone reported that the emissions are actually from the = Loran=20 Support Center, Wildwood NJ (Cape May, 38.9464N = 74.8668W).  According=20 to Google Earth this is 6595 km from me, 164 km further than = Seneca. That's=20 exactly 0.55 ms extra delay! So we know that they are transmitting = from=20 Wildwood using Seneca parameters. 
 
If you like to see it yourself, you can simply add a line = containing=20 "8970x" at the end of the stations section, after the GPS = entry.
Thanks for the tip!
 
Best 73,
Markus
 
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche=20 Mitteilung-----
Von: Chris 4X1RF <chrisgomy@gmail.com>
An: = Markus=20 Vester <markusvester@aol.com>
Vers= chickt:=20 Di, 20 Mrz 2012 2:29 pm
Betreff: US Loran

Hi Markus,

From the 'time-nuts' list, yesterday = evening=20 around 20UTC the 8970x Seneca N.Y. station was reported as being=20 active.

73s
Chris
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