Return-Path: X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1170; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id t9OLlXZf016025 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 23:47:33 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Zq6bl-0007vp-Ar for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:44:13 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Zq6bk-0007vg-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:44:12 +0100 Received: from rgout0205.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk ([65.20.0.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq6ag-0005ua-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:44:11 +0100 X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.149.134.195 (GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: alan.melia@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A010204.562BFB57.00D1,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=39/50,refid=2.7.2:2015.10.24.122715:17:39.532,ip=86.149.134.195,rules=__HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, MSGID_32HEX_LC, INVALID_MSGID_NO_FQDN, __MSGID_32HEX, __HAS_FROM, __PHISH_FROM2, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL_FROM, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __REFERENCES, __RUS_SUBJ_ALL_UCASE_1251, __RUS_SUBJ_ALL_UCASE_KOI8R, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __FRAUD_SUBJ_ALLCAPS, __MIME_VERSION, __CT, __CTYPE_MULTIPART_ALT, __CTYPE_HAS_BOUNDARY, __CTYPE_MULTIPART, __HAS_X_PRIORITY, __HAS_MSMAIL_PRI, __HAS_X_MAILER, USER_AGENT_OE, __OUTLOOK_MUA_1, __USER_AGENT_MS_GENERIC, __ANY_URI, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __URI_NO_WWW, __URI_NO_PATH, __INT_PROD_GPS, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, SUPERLONG_LINE, __HTML_AHREF_TAG, __HAS_HTML, HTML_NO_HTTP, BODY_SIZE_10000_PLUS, BODYTEXTH_SIZE_10000_LESS, __MIME_HTML, __TAG_EXISTS_HTML, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[195.134.149.86.fur], RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, __PHISH_FROM, __OUTLOOK_MUA, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK, REFERENCES, NO_URI_HTTPS X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from gnat (86.149.134.195) by rgout02.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as alan.melia@btinternet.com) id 561CC101015CF408 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:42:43 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=btcpcloud; t=1445722982; bh=ljsbNYYevymJeGYx4T053dv2VVcF1U5y4r7IqXC0VuA=; h=Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:X-Mailer; b=b/gdZJy8PXiqsadD5WG7aqqK97wikJayK1ZmjKb7xWo8t35rSL5VR7iqwWE3eqPdLihxU1FixkuqnCYgW8t6Sg+gk6n3yDvkiSc7bluiHrM01AyP5uX6XxbwakYMSn4pZ53pI1sPGO+jL0UPRhPtoXmergYNQhiWCRDp5sapf60= Message-ID: <15F6C5D23D6C469B9FE6E3C21C6ABBD7@gnat> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <8D2DCB586344FC2-FD8-744AA8@webmail-vd011.sysops.aol.com> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 22:42:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Scan-Signature: 62fc2827c05a630837daa4729d9cda83 Subject: Re: LF: XPQ WSPR15 475/136 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_010E_01D10EAD.4E4F3580" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4632 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01D10EAD.4E4F3580 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Markus, yes I think that has been happening, but in Laurence's case = the first post did not appear to any of us so that was probably bounced = on theway in, but I have seen cases were posts have been reflected but = not received by the sender. Some ISPs seem to regard a message sent to = self as spam.....I regularly dig out my LF postings from my webmail spam = folder. Marking them as "Not Spam" does not seem to affect the rules in = "Spamguard", the filter used. I reckon you are due for a few down days Laurence the CME from the C5 on = the 22nd arrived at 1900z. Spaceweather maked it as arriving = unexpectedly early.....I dont see that the interval was about 62 hours. = We only caught the "wash" as it was not pointing at Earth, and that = could account for some of the longer interval. Alan=20 G3NYK ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 9:56 PM Subject: RE: LF: XPQ WSPR15 475/136 Hi Laurence, thanks for the detailed info! Looks like you're set up pretty well to = make use of whatever little straw of propagation you can cling to = ;-)Reason I asked was that I'd been contemplating a 137 / 475 k diplexer = for my vertical. But after doing the analysis I gave up on it as the = compromises regarding losses, bandwidth and voltages just seemed = unacceptable. So good luck and have a nice weekend, Markus (DF6NM) PS it looks like all your mails are getting through blacksheep. But = you may not be getting them back yourself. I've been experiencing that = effect now and then, and always found it pretty confusing.=20 -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Laurence KL7 L An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 24 Okt 2015 7:04 pm Betreff: RE: LF: XPQ WSPR15 475/136 Morning Markus - well the transmitters held up well and no issues. The = two transmitters and tx antennae are independent of each other. 475 is = a 70ft vertical large top loaded Marconi with 250ft-ish top. The 136kHz = is the standard "Bill" 550ft circumference loop with 60/70ft vertical = sections at each end with about 50A loop current. The only difference = this year is the 136kHz loops orientation which is now 092/272degT which = does not favor Eu (in theory!), and at the moment is a single conductor = so a little more lossy - I have physical tree dead and active load = limits here - a bit more flimsy branches than Oklahoma, even so Im = effectively "guying" a few of the trees with the antennae wire having = around 1200 pound break strain :-)=20 Both are in the middle of the Boreal forest (100m LMR400 coax runs) = which has its issues but for 136kHz its really the only solution that = works where I can run a reasonable amount of power and not worry too = much about setting it alight, given the relatively lower voltages on = the loop. 475 is a U3 driving the W1VD 500W PA and 136 is a U2 driving the Decca = 5501 on two of three modules with 58V both with their own GPS drivers.=20 Due to construction and tight thermal case the U3 has a little more = "drift" during the 15 min tx periods but is tolerable. I can still run other tx sources to either PA so will be playing = with other modes during winter - Id like to do some of this coherent = stuff as I have a reasonable source with the HP3336b/gps available but = thats going to take me a search in my cable box for the serial keying = stuff from a few years back. Conditions are still "cooling off" iono wise from the recent = sol/geomag stuff...and its still physicallt warm here temp wise in = Alaska so environmental losses are still higher because of it. I need to = build a second Jim M0BMU visual phase/power meter and Ive just love = having one of those in line... Laurence KL7 L WE2XPQ (jet lagged so sorry for typos) =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: markusvester@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 04:37:16 -0400 Subject: Re: LF: XPQ WSPR15 475/136 Hi Laurence, interesting... are you transmitting into a single dual-resonant = antenna?Best 73, Markus -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----=20 Von: Laurence KL7 L An: rsgb_lf_group Verschickt: Sa, 24 Okt 2015 5:20 am Betreff: LF: XPQ WSPR15 475/136 Ill give this a go but will run parallel 136 and 475kHz WSPR15 tonight = - 800W on 136 and 200W on 475 all being well - they are forecasting a = little geomag so will shall see. Light dim in the shack a bit.... Ill be off around 0900 to look for SAQ on 17.2kHz Laurence KL7 L WE2XPQ ------=_NextPart_000_010E_01D10EAD.4E4F3580 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Hi Markus, yes I think that has been = happening, but=20 in Laurence's case the first post did not appear to any of us so that = was=20 probably bounced on theway in, but I have seen cases were posts have = been=20 reflected but not received by the sender. Some ISPs seem to regard a = message=20 sent to self as spam.....I regularly dig out my LF postings from my = webmail spam=20 folder. Marking them as "Not Spam" does not seem to affect the rules in=20 "Spamguard", the filter used.
 
I reckon you are due for a few down = days Laurence=20 the CME from the C5 on the 22nd arrived at 1900z. Spaceweather maked it = as=20 arriving unexpectedly early.....I dont see that the interval was about = 62 hours.=20 We only caught the "wash" as it was not pointing at Earth, and that = could=20 account for some of the longer interval.
 
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Markus=20 Vester
Sent: Saturday, October 24, = 2015 9:56=20 PM
Subject: RE: LF: XPQ WSPR15 = 475/136

Hi Laurence,
 
thanks for the=20 detailed info! Looks like you're set up pretty well to make use of = whatever=20 little straw of propagation you can cling to ;-)
Reason I asked was that I'd been contemplating a 137 / 475 k = diplexer for my vertical. But after doing the analysis I gave up on it = as the=20 compromises regarding losses, bandwidth and voltages just seemed=20 unacceptable.
 
So good luck and have a nice weekend,
 
Markus (DF6NM)
 
PS it looks like all your mails are getting=20 through blacksheep.  But you may not be getting them = back=20 yourself. I've been experiencing that effect now and then, and = always=20 found it pretty confusing.


 
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung----- =
Von: Laurence=20 KL7 L <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Verschickt: Sa, 24 Okt 2015 = 7:04=20 pm
Betreff: RE: LF: XPQ WSPR15 475/136

Morning Markus - well the transmitters held up well and = no=20 issues. The two transmitters and  tx antennae are independent of = each=20 other. 475 is a 70ft vertical large top loaded Marconi with 250ft-ish = top. The=20 136kHz is the  standard "Bill" 550ft circumference loop with = 60/70ft=20 vertical sections at each end with about 50A loop current. The only = difference=20 this year is the 136kHz loops orientation which is now 092/272degT = which does=20 not favor Eu (in theory!), and at the moment is a single conductor so = a little=20 more lossy - I have physical tree dead and active load  limits = here - a=20 bit more flimsy branches than Oklahoma, even so Im effectively = "guying" a few=20 of the trees with the antennae wire having around 1200 pound break = strain :-)=20

Both are in the middle of the Boreal forest (100m LMR400 coax = runs)=20 which has its issues but for 136kHz its really the only solution that = works=20 where I can run a reasonable amount of power and not worry too much = about=20 setting it alight,  given the relatively lower voltages on the=20 loop.

475 is a U3 driving the W1VD 500W PA and 136 is a U2 = driving the=20 Decca 5501 on two of three modules with 58V both with their own GPS = drivers.=20

Due to construction and tight thermal case the U3 has a little = more=20 "drift" during the 15 min tx periods but is tolerable.

  I = can=20 still run other tx sources to either PA so will be playing with other = modes=20 during winter - Id like to do some of this coherent stuff as I have a=20 reasonable source with the HP3336b/gps available but thats going to = take me a=20 search in my cable box for the  serial keying stuff  from a = few=20 years back.

Conditions are still "cooling off" iono wise from = the=20 recent sol/geomag stuff...and its still physicallt warm here temp wise = in=20 Alaska so environmental losses are still higher because of it. I need = to build=20 a second Jim M0BMU visual phase/power meter and Ive just love having = one of=20 those in line...

Laurence KL7 L WE2XPQ (jet lagged so sorry for = typos) 

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
From:=20 markusvester@aol.com
Date: = Sat,=20 24 Oct 2015 04:37:16 -0400
Subject: Re: LF: XPQ WSPR15 = 475/136

Hi Laurence,
 
interesting... are you transmitting = into a single=20 dual-resonant antenna?
Best 73,
Markus
 
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: = Laurence KL7 L=20 <hellozerohellozero@hotmail= .com>
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Verschickt:=20 Sa, 24 Okt 2015 5:20 am
Betreff: LF: XPQ WSPR15 475/136

Ill give this a go but will run parallel 136 and 475kHz = WSPR15=20 tonight  - 800W on 136 and 200W on 475 all being well - they are=20 forecasting a little geomag so will shall see. Light dim in the shack = a=20 bit....

Ill be off around 0900 to look for SAQ on=20 17.2kHz

Laurence KL7 L WE2XPQ=20
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