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Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.189.67 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Scan-Signature: 0c45d09d2a41e4766f69c39582322994 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CD66BE.EE68D700" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1dc1455009c1176141 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CD66BE.EE68D700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Are you posting on the web site rather than by email.....or are you not = set to "traditional"?? I dont see any ads at all...... Alan G3NYK=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Graham=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo Every time I post/read I am confronted with a full screen advert = ... which has a timer attached ,,, this is the only yahoo = group that this happens to me on .. why ? G.. From: M0FMT=20 Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:58 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo Hi all I have been a member of the Softrock Yahoo group for years and it = works very very well. So I though it was a model that would read across = to the LF reflector and work as well. Like so many things that look good = on paper the reality is something different. I now feel that Yahoo = should earn its spurs before closing BS down, if that's possible. I = think using "Force / Power" to change a situation is totally wrong let = nature take its course, we appear to have the luxury of the alternative = option, let time tell. With minor issues my e-mail presentation of BS versus Yahoo is pretty = much the same. I direct both BS and Yahoo to the same folder so that I = have a continuous thread of mails from both sources. Probably Yahoo is = not so immediate as BS but if I am anxious to hear the latest and = greatest PIC driven project from Andy G4JNT or the most recent = application of an SBL-1 monolithic mixer from Roger G3XBM I can click = onto Yahoo group direct or wait 1/2 a day and receive it with all the BS = traffic anyway. In the words of a famous TV rodent "Seeeemple... = squeek!!" 73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX From: Rik Strobbe To: "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk" = ; "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" = =20 Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012, 18:12 Subject: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo Hello Roger, this evening I have a grabber running and wanted to announce it on = the Yahoo and Blacksheep reflectors. I had to scroll back to last Sunday = to find a mail from the Yahoo reflector.=20 A quick count showed that over the past week I received 3 mails from = Yahoo and about 35 mails from Blacksheep. I agree that Yahoo has a lot more bells but despite that Blacksheep = seems still the place to be. So there seems to be a lot of "anti-capitalists" active on LF/MF ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T PS: I endorse the "live and let live" statement of Thierry (F4EOB) Van: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk = [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] namens G3XBM [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 14 juli 2012 20:52 To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk Onderwerp: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo =20 Dear LF, IMHO it's time we all moved across to this Yahoo group and shut down = the Blacksheep. Having two lists is a pain. Those of us who've moved = here surely agree it is every bit as good as the Blacksheep list, and in = many ways much better.=20 What I still totally fail to understand is why good keen LF folks = like Stefan DK7FC, steadfastly refuse to move. It is almost like an = anti-capitalist stand, which frankly is a bit silly. It costs us nothing = and gives us a lot. 73s Roger G3XBM (PS thanks GW0EZY for the -31dB WSPR report on 500kHz just now) --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Alan Melia" = wrote: > > Hi Geri that sounds like a recipe for an interminable ping pong, = eating bandwidth and getting the group a bad name!! It is just too much = to expect of the administrators to do this manually. Managing the = blacksheep it is getting increasing difficult. I dont think the = intention ever was to run two reflectors. Of course there is nothing to = stop those who object to joining the Yahoo! Group from setting up their = own. Mailman, and Majordomo are open source as far as I am aware. >=20 > Some members are likely to object to their messages being = auto-forwarded in that way too. >=20 > Alan > G3NYK > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW=20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@...=20 > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:17 PM > Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Blacksheep and Yahoo >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mike, >=20 > Woule there be any way to "relay" any blacksheep.org content to = Yahoo and vice evrse., e.g that rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk will = "subscribe" to the blacksheep messages and rsgb_lf_group@... becomes a = member of the Yahoo group? >=20 > By that method each of us could decide what way they prefer to = exchange information, but no information would be lost! >=20 > /3 >=20 > Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO >=20 >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Mike Dennison=20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk=20 > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:48 PM > Subject: Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: Transmitting on 477kHZ today >=20 >=20 >=20 > Yes, Wolf, there are still a few who have not migrated to Yahoo. = This=20 > is very inefficient and leads to double-posting, and missed=20 > information. Possibly there are some people who don't know the = Yahoo=20 > group exists. I am giving it as much publicity as I can from my = web=20 > sites. >=20 > Mike, G3XDV > g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/ >=20 > > Hello Mike, > >=20 > > Thanks for the info. > > Where did Roland spot the original message - on the old = Blacksheep > > thing, from which I unsubscribed weeks ago ? .. are there other = skeds > > etc being made there still, which we are missing here ? Also = haven't > > heard anything from Stefan and others for some time, which is > > suspicious. > >=20 > > Have a nice weekend, and "happy impact" (from the announced CME) = :) > >=20 > > 73, > > Wolf DL4YHF / DF0WD qrv again later. > >=20 > >=20 > > --- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison" > > wrote: > > Received WSPR on 477kHz (dial) from > > DF0WD, DL3DNR and DK6NI > yesterday evening, More details at: > > g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk > > Mike, G3XDV > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D: > > > Hello, > > > > I'm transmitting on 477kHz with WSPR at 17:00 UTC. ERP 0.8W. > > > > Antenna 50m, 15m high. > > > > 73 > > Roland DL3NDR > > > > > > = > > > > >=20 > >=20 > > > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a new = topic=20 Messages in this topic (16)=20 Recent Activity: a.. New Members 3=20 Visit Your Group=20 Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =E2=80=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=80=A2 = Terms of Use. =20 __,_._,___ ------=_NextPart_000_00B0_01CD66BE.EE68D700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
Are you posting on the web site rather = than by=20 email.....or are you not set to "traditional"??
 
I dont see any ads at = all......
Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Graham
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 = 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: = [rsgb_lf_group] Re:=20 Blacksheep and Yahoo

Every time I post/read  I am confronted with a  = full =20 screen  advert ...  which  has a  timer =20 attached  ,,,  this  is the  only  = yahoo  group=20 that  this  happens  to  me  on .. why = ?
 
G..

From: M0FMT
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and=20 Yahoo

Hi all
 
I have been a member of the Softrock Yahoo group for years and it = works=20 very very well. So I though it was a model that would read across to = the LF=20 reflector and work as well. Like so many things that look good on = paper the=20 reality is something different. I now feel that Yahoo should earn its = spurs=20 before closing BS down, if that's possible. I think using "Force / = Power" to=20 change a situation is totally wrong let nature take its course, we = appear to=20 have the luxury of the alternative option, let time tell.
With minor issues my e-mail presentation of BS versus Yahoo is = pretty=20 much the same. I direct both BS and Yahoo to the same folder so = that I=20 have a continuous thread of mails from both sources. Probably Yahoo is = not so=20 immediate as BS but if I am anxious to = hear the=20 latest and greatest PIC driven project from Andy G4JNT or the = most recent application = of an SBL-1=20 monolithic mixer from Roger G3XBM I can click onto Yahoo group = direct or=20 wait 1/2 a day and receive it with all the BS traffic anyway. In the = words of=20 a famous TV rodent "Seeeemple... squeek!!"
73 es GL Pete M0FMT IO91UX
From: Rik Strobbe=20 <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
To: = "rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk>; = "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, 20 July 2012,=20 18:12
Subject: = LF: RE:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and Yahoo

Hello Roger,
 
this evening I = have=20 a grabber running = and wanted to announce it on the Yahoo=20 and Blacksheep reflectors. I = had to scroll=20 back to last Sunday = to find a mail from = the Yahoo=20 reflector.
A quick count showed that over = the past week=20 I received 3 = mails from Yahoo and about 35=20 mails from Blacksheep.
I agree that Yahoo has a lot more bells but despite that Blacksheep seems still the place=20 to be.
So there seems to be a lot = of=20 "anti-capitalists" active on LF/MF ;-)
 
73, Rik  ON7YD -=20 OR7T
 
PS: I endorse the "live=20 and let live" statement of Thierry (F4EOB)
 
Van:=20 rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk [rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk] = namens=20 G3XBM [rogerlapthorn@gmail.com]
Verzonden: zaterdag 14 = juli 2012=20 20:52
To: = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
Onderwerp:=20 [rsgb_lf_group] Re: Blacksheep and = Yahoo

  =
Dear LF,

IMHO it's time we = all moved=20 across to this Yahoo group and shut down the Blacksheep. Having two = lists is=20 a pain. Those of us who've moved here surely agree it is every bit = as good=20 as the Blacksheep list, and in many ways much better.

What I = still=20 totally fail to understand is why good keen LF folks like Stefan = DK7FC,=20 steadfastly refuse to move. It is almost like an anti-capitalist = stand,=20 which frankly is a bit silly. It costs us nothing and gives us a=20 lot.

73s
Roger G3XBM

(PS thanks GW0EZY for the = -31dB WSPR=20 report on 500kHz just now)

--- In rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@...> = wrote:
>
> Hi=20 Geri that sounds like a recipe for an interminable ping pong, eating = bandwidth and getting the group a bad name!! It is just too much to = expect=20 of the administrators to do this manually. Managing the blacksheep = it is=20 getting increasing difficult. I dont think the intention ever was to = run two=20 reflectors. Of course there is nothing to stop those who object to = joining=20 the Yahoo! Group from setting up their own. Mailman, and Majordomo = are open=20 source as far as I am aware.
>
> Some members are = likely to=20 object to their messages being auto-forwarded in that way = too.
>=20
> Alan
> G3NYK
> ----- Original Message ----- =
>=20 From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW - DI2BO - W1KW
> To: rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk ; rsgb_lf_group@...
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, = 2012 6:17=20 PM
> Subject: [rsgb_lf_group] Blacksheep and Yahoo
> =
>=20
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> Woule = there be=20 any way to "relay" any blacksheep.org content to Yahoo and vice = evrse., e.g=20 that rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk will "subscribe" to the blacksheep messages and=20 rsgb_lf_group@... becomes a member of the Yahoo group?
> =
> By=20 that method each of us could decide what way they prefer to exchange = information, but no information would be lost!
>
> = /3
>=20
> Geri, DK8KW & DI2BO
>
>
>
> = -----=20 Original Message -----
> From: Mike Dennison
> To: = rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk
> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:48 = PM
> Subject:=20 Re: [rsgb_lf_group] Re: LF: Transmitting on 477kHZ today
> =
>=20
>
> Yes, Wolf, there are still a few who have not = migrated to=20 Yahoo. This
> is very inefficient and leads to = double-posting, and=20 missed
> information. Possibly there are some people who = don't know=20 the Yahoo
> group exists. I am giving it as much publicity as = I can=20 from my web
> sites.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
>=20 g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mike.dennison/index/lf/=
>
> > Hello Mike,
> > =
> >=20 Thanks for the info.
> > Where did Roland spot the original = message=20 - on the old Blacksheep
> > thing, from which I = unsubscribed weeks=20 ago ? .. are there other skeds
> > etc being made there = still,=20 which we are missing here ? Also haven't
> > heard anything = from=20 Stefan and others for some time, which is
> > = suspicious.
>=20 >
> > Have a nice weekend, and "happy impact" (from the = announced CME) :)
> >
> > 73,
> > Wolf = DL4YHF /=20 DF0WD qrv again later.
> >
> >
> > --- = In=20 rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk, "Mike Dennison"
> > <mike.dennison@> = wrote:=20 > > Received WSPR on 477kHz (dial) from
> > DF0WD, = DL3DNR and=20 DK6NI > yesterday evening, More details at:
> >=20 g3xdv.blogspot.co.uk > > Mike, G3XDV > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D: > > >=20 Hello, > >
> > I'm transmitting on 477kHz with WSPR = at 17:00=20 UTC. ERP 0.8W. > >
> > Antenna 50m, 15m high. > = > >=20 > 73 > > Roland DL3NDR > > > > > > > = >=20 >
> >
> >
>=20 >
>

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