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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: ?I doubt that someone will be put behind bars for sending some RF through a guard rail. But if so, I am confident that Stefan will make a decent ELF antenna using those bars ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [2a02:2c40:0:c0:0:0:25:136 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: df2e2c1e83972f6e42eeb17d78e70347 Subject: Re: LF: Experimenting.. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_154723235494549648kuleuvenbe_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --_000_154723235494549648kuleuvenbe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ?I doubt that someone will be put behind bars for sending some RF through a= guard rail. But if so, I am confident that Stefan will make a decent ELF antenna using = those bars ;-) 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org namens David Hine Verzonden: vrijdag 11 januari 2019 19:14 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: Experimenting.. Stephan, I'm all in favour of 'proper' sensible radio experimenting, but not if it i= ncludes highly illegal connexions to motorway guard rails, railway equipmen= t, fences, pylons, gas lines or metal bridges etc.. That is not experimenting, but trespassing, for which you can get a very lo= ng jail sentence if you get caught on camera. A very long jail sentence would be the right punishment for this form of re= ckless and selfish irresponsibility. Ask the RSGB and Ofcom their views on this. Regards, David. ________________________________ From: DK7FC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Friday, 11 January 2019, 14:51 Subject: LF: Experimenting.. ________________________________ From: Neil To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2019, 21:23 I imagine lots of people are considering the use of long lengths of metal i= nfrastructure Do you really? How many, make a guess. What are they waiting for? so if there is a solution which is demonstrably better, it would save a lot= of unnecessary trouble for experimenters. What is experimenting? Isn't it doing some steps on new territory, just out= of interest? Doesn't experimenting mean that you know that you can fail or= that you can have success with your experiments? And that failing doesn't = matter because the experiments are most interesting in themselves, so actua= lly there can be no failing because doing the experiment is the success! So, is an experimenter who wants to "save a lot of unnecessary trouble" an = experimenter at all? 73, Stefan --_000_154723235494549648kuleuvenbe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

​I doubt that someone will be put behind bars for sending some RF = through a guard rail.

But if so, I am confident that Stefan will make a decent ELF antenna usi= ng those bars ;-)


73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> namens David Hine &= lt;evad_hine@yahoo.co.uk>
Verzonden: vrijdag 11 januari 2019 19:14
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: Re: LF: Experimenting..
 
Stephan, 
I'm all in favour of 'pro= per' sensible radio experimenting, but not if it includes highly illegal co= nnexions to motorway guard rails, railway equipment, fences, pylons, gas li= nes or metal bridges etc..

That is not experimenting= , but trespassing, for which you can get a very long jail sentence if you g= et caught on camera.
A very long jail sentence= would be the right punishment for this form of reckless and selfish irresp= onsibility. 

Ask the RSGB and Ofcom th= eir views on this.
Regards, David.


<= br>
From: DK7FC <selberdenken= @posteo.de>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep= .org
Sent: Friday, 11 January 201= 9, 14:51
Subject: LF: Experimenting..=


From: Neil <neil@g4dbn.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Thurs= day, 10 January 2019, 21:23
I imagine lots of people are considering the use of long l= engths of metal infrastructure
Do you really? How many, make a guess. What are they waiting for?
so if there is a solution which is demonstrably better, it= would save a lot of unnecessary trouble for experimenters.
What is experimenting? Isn't it doing some steps on new territory, just out= of interest? Doesn't experimenting mean that you know that you can fail or= that you can have success with your experiments? And that failing doesn't = matter because the experiments are most interesting in themselves, so actually there can be no failing becaus= e doing the experiment is the success!
So, is an experimenter who wants to "save a lot of unnecessary trouble= " an experimenter at all?

73, Stefan


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