Return-Path: <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> X-Spam-DCC: paranoid 1480; Body=2 Fuz1=2 Fuz2=2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.3 (2006-06-01) on lipkowski.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL, HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no version=3.1.3 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by paranoid.lipkowski.org (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id u8SHG4rC005261 for <sq5bpf@lipkowski.org>; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:16:05 +0200 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1bpINz-0000Qt-3a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:11:11 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1bpINy-0000Qk-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:11:10 +0100 Received: from smtp10.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.132] helo=smtp.smtpout.orange.fr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from <f5wk@mterrier.net>) id 1bpINw-0002pa-Du for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 18:11:09 +0100 Received: from [10.199.124.57] ([10.163.22.94]) by mwinf5d45 with ME id p5B21t00h21o3qa035B32G; Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:11:06 +0200 X-ME-Helo: [10.199.124.57] X-ME-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:11:06 +0200 X-ME-IP: 10.163.22.94 Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:10:58 +0200 From: Michel Brunel <f5wk@mterrier.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1544518546.20160928191058@mterrier.net> To: Domenico IZ7SLZ <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> In-Reply-To: <CAC+C6w4GigD_wVQByBq2=YW=NKMXiHKj6giQNKy=N7zm6qQHnQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <1576890eb5c-1d99-6fb7@webprd-a102.mail.aol.com> <1576897e3c5-1d99-7020@webprd-a102.mail.aol.com> <CAC+C6w4GigD_wVQByBq2=YW=NKMXiHKj6giQNKy=N7zm6qQHnQ@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Scan-Signature: 29f1b43ee9e13e220716185d38bfb88c Subject: Re: LF: F5WK EbNaut Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------02B1F01930FCEBD64" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.11 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 8868 ------------02B1F01930FCEBD64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Big thanks to Domenico, Markus and Stefan for their successful decoding of = my EbNaut transmissions. Ebnaut decoding is not an easy task especially with weak signal. I fear my GPSDO frequency was not as accurate than expected. I had the bad = idea to use a low cost GPS antenna wich performed not as good as the professional grade antenna I used for tests at home. Thu= s some jitter and phase jumps depending on GPS constellation position. As a "proof of concept" I made Loran-C records during the day using the eb= naut setup and results are sometime good sometime not so good. The transmitter overcurrent was randomly triggered by the phase reversal. = Bpsk modulation is performed synchronously by exclusive OR gates, between t= he D flip-flop and the MOS drivers. Phase reversal is like changing the fre= quency for a very short time, which leads to a current pike due to the high= Q of the LF antenna. Decision was taken to bypass the overcurrent detectio= n. The good way to do bpsk modulation is with a suitable DDS such as AD9852.= =20 I found the antenna performs poorly at LF since the radials are burried in = a sandy soil, as time goes on. No big deal for ebnaut though. A lot of things to improve for my next LF campaign,=20 73, Michel - f5wk/P=20 Le mercredi 28 septembre 2016 =C3=A0 11:08:55, Domenico =C3=A9crivait : Hello LF, EbNaut test signals from Michel F5WK/P in Normandy has been received also = here in JN80NU (QRB =3D 1700 km). This is the list of my decodes: DATE TIME UT Time OFFSET [s] EbN0[dB] Carrier E= bN0[dB] Rk 26-09-2016 21:30 0 0.9 = 1.9 0 =20 message:F5WK JN18HP ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------- 27-09-2016 18:30 1 5.6 = 6.7 0 =20 27-09-2016 19:00 1 7.8 = 9.0 0 =20 27-09-2016 19:30 1 5.1 = 5.8 0 =20 27-09-2016 20:00 1 6.1 = 6.7 0 =20 27-09-2016 20:30 1 6.5 = 6.7 0 =20 27-09-2016 21:00 1 NIL 27-09-2016 21:30 1 3.7 = 4.6 0 =20 27-09-2016 22:00 1 3.0 = 4.4 0 =20 message: F5WK IN99EF receiver in use: JRC NCR-92M with 10 MHz GPDO with 7m passive whip antenna. Congratulation Michel for your EbNaut nice going; can you describe your set= up ? 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ On 27 September 2016 at 00:22, Markus Vester <markusvester@aol.com> wrote: Michel F5WK is running EbNaut tonight! He's got a strong and stable Signal,= and the 21 UT sequence produced a successful decode here. Thanks to Michel for the test transmissions, and to Domenico IZ7SLZ for kin= dly passing on the Information. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Michel Brunel" <f5wk@mterrier.net> Date: 26 Sep 2016 18:41 Subject: Re: Need some help ! To: "Domenico IZ7SLZ" <iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com> Cc:=20 Hi Domenico, I'm now ready to transmit an ebnaut test at UTC 18:00:00 - 137489.999179 Hz - message length 11 - Coding 8K19A - symbol period 1.0 - duration 13:20:00 Estimated ERP: 100 mW=20 Michel - f5wk/P -- ------------02B1F01930FCEBD64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><title>Re: LF: F5WK EbNaut</title> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"> </head> <body> <span style=3D" font-family:'Calibri'; font-size: 12pt;">Hi,<br> <br> Big thanks to Domenico, Markus and Stefan for their successful decoding of = my EbNaut transmissions.<br> Ebnaut decoding is not an easy task especially with weak signal.<br> <br> I fear my GPSDO frequency was not as accurate than expected. I had the bad = idea to use a low cost GPS antenna wich performed<br> not as good as the professional grade antenna I used for tests at home. Thu= s some jitter and phase jumps depending on GPS constellation position.<br> As a "proof of concept" I made Loran-C records during the day using t= he ebnaut setup and results are sometime good sometime not so good.<b= r> <br> The transmitter overcurrent was randomly triggered by the phase rever= sal. Bpsk modulation is performed synchronously by exclusive OR gates, betw= een the D flip-flop and the MOS drivers. Phase reversal is like changing th= e frequency for a very short time, which leads to a current pike due to the= high Q of the LF antenna. Decision was taken to bypass the overcurrent det= ection.<br> The good way to do bpsk modulation is with a suitable DDS such as AD9852.&n= bsp;<br> <br> I found the antenna performs poorly at LF since the radials are burried in = a sandy soil, as time goes on. No big deal for ebnaut though.<br> <br> A lot of things to improve for my next LF campaign, <br> <br> 73,<br> Michel - f5wk/P <br> <br> <br> <br> Le mercredi 28 septembre 2016 =C3=A0 11:08:55, Domenico =C3=A9crivait :<br> <br> </span><table> <tr> <td width=3D2 bgcolor=3D #0000ff><br> </td> <td><span style=3D" font-family:'calibri'; font-size: 12pt;">Hello LF,<br> <br> EbNaut test signals from Michel F5WK/P in Normandy has been received = also here in JN80NU (QRB =3D 1700 km).<br> This is the list of my decodes:<br> <br> <b>DATE TIME UT Time OFFSE= T [s] EbN0[dB] Carrier EbN= 0[dB] Rk<br> </b>26-09-2016 21:30  = ; 0 &= nbsp; 0.9 &n= bsp; 1.9 &nbs= p; 0 <br> message:<b>F5WK JN18HP<br> </b>-----------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------------------------------------<br> 27-09-2016 18:30 1 =  = ; 5.6 = 6.7 &= nbsp; 0 <br> 27-09-2016 19:00 1 =  = ; 7.8 = 9.0 &= nbsp; 0 <br> 27-09-2016 19:30 1 =  = ; 5.1 = 5.8 &= nbsp; 0 <br> 27-09-2016 20:00 1 =  = ; 6.1 = 6.7 &= nbsp; 0 <br> 27-09-2016 20:30 1 =  = ; 6.5 = 6.7 &= nbsp; 0 <br> 27-09-2016 21:00 1 =  = ; NIL<br> 27-09-2016 21:30 1 =  = ; 3.7 = 4.6 &= nbsp; 0 <br> 27-09-2016 22:00 1 =  = ; 3.0 = 4.4 &= nbsp; 0 <br> message:<b> F5WK IN99EF<br> <br> </b>receiver in use: JRC NCR-92M with 10 MHz GPDO with 7m passive whip ante= nna<b>.<br> <br> </b>Congratulation Michel for your EbNaut nice going; can you describe your= setup ?<br> 73, Domenico IZ7SLZ<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> <br> On 27 September 2016 at 00:22, Markus Vester <</span><a style=3D" font-f= amily:'calibri'; font-size: 12pt;" href=3D"mailto:markusvester@aol.com">mar= kusvester@aol.com</a><span style=3D" font-family:'calibri'; font-size: 12pt= ;">> wrote:<br> <span style=3D" font-family:'arial'; font-size: 10pt;">Michel F5WK is runni= ng EbNaut tonight! He's got a strong and stable Signal, and the 21 UT seque= nce produced a successful decode here.<br> <br> Thanks to Michel for the test transmissions, and to Domenico IZ7SLZ for kin= dly passing on the Information.<br> <br> Best 73,<br> Markus (DF6NM)<br> <br> ---------- Forwarded message ----------<br> From: "Michel Brunel" <</span></span><a style=3D" font-family:'arial'; f= ont-size: 10pt;" href=3D"mailto:f5wk@mterrier.net">f5wk@mterrier.net</a><sp= an style=3D" font-family:'arial'; font-size: 10pt;">><br> Date: 26 Sep 2016 18:41<br> Subject: Re: Need some help !<br> To: "Domenico IZ7SLZ" <</span><a style=3D" font-family:'arial'; font-siz= e: 10pt;" href=3D"mailto:iz7slz.domenico@gmail.com">iz7slz.domenico@gmail.c= om</a><span style=3D" font-family:'arial'; font-size: 10pt;">><br> Cc: <br> <br> <span style=3D" font-size: 12pt;">Hi Domenico,<br> <br> I'm now ready to transmit an ebnaut test at UTC 18:00:00<br> - <b>137489.999179 Hz<br> - message length 11<br> - Coding 8K19A<br> - symbol period 1.0<br> - duration 13:20:00<br> <br> </b>Estimated ERP: 100 mW <br> <br> Michel - f5wk/P<br> </td> </tr> </table> <br><br> <br> <br> <span style=3D" font-family:'arial'; color: #c0c0c0;"><i>-- </body></h= tml> ------------02B1F01930FCEBD64--