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I know from experience that this is a labor intensive job and I fisrt want to figure out if my SlowJT9 project is useful to the MF / LF community [...] Content analysis details: (-2.3 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.3 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, medium trust [2a02:2c40:0:c0:0:0:25:137 listed in] [list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Scan-Signature: c02ecda857f7e48628e97947dd35e41f Subject: Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_154272947841466158kuleuvenbe_" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false --_000_154272947841466158kuleuvenbe_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Andy, I didn't do too much effort on error catching so far. I know from experienc= e that this is a labor intensive job and I fisrt want to figure out if my S= lowJT9 project is useful to the MF / LF community before going into this. The soundcard error you described can also be solved by deleting the SlowJT= 9.set file (in the same directory as the EXE). That way you can launch Slow= JT9 from scratch. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7Y ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org namens Andy Talbot Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:58 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: rsgb_lf_group Onderwerp: Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10) There is also another problem which 'could' be connected to the no audio, s= omehow. I unplugged the USB soundcard, then relaunched SlowJT9. It had previously= been directed to the now unplugged USB S/Card but instead of working out w= hat to do and changing to the default (internal) S/C, it threw up an access= violation message and I had to quit. This happened each time I tried to= launch. The only solution was to plug the USB card back in, launch the pr= ogramme and change the output soundcard to the internal one. Andy www.g4jnt.com On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:47, Andy Talbot > wrote: Nope, Rik. I had thought of that and it's set to maximum Just tested on my Desktop, and exactly the same problem. No audio from the= default speakers. So that's two PCs of different makes . Win versions wi= th teh same problem I also tried an external USB soundcard and directed the audio out to that. = Also so sound (RH slider to max) I am getting some irregular clicks occasionally, on the USB soundcard, and = that also happened on the laptop once or twice Andy www.g4jnt.com On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:34, Rik Strobbe > wrote: Hello Andy, the "power level" slider (at the right) is initially set to zero. Maybe tha= t is the reason for no audio. I agree that this is confusing, but I have done this for safety reasons (I = don't want have any transmitter "blown" because of a too high audio level). 73, Rik ON7YD ________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > namens Andy Talbot > Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:24 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: rsgb_lf_group Onderwerp: Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10) Rik I just tried installing this 0.9.10 version on my Dell Inspiron laptop Win= -10. I set the soundcard correctly to "Speakers / Headphones" and Tx tone= to 1200Hz , hit enable Tx then the 'Tune' button. It shows as transmit= ting but there's no audio tone. WSJT-X and other datacomms packages are= working fine, both before and after trying Normally don't get any issues like this with the default (the only) soundca= rd present. I'll test on my other two PCs, an HP Desktop with Win 7 and HP Notebook On a different matter, I'll be writing this up in the next RadCom "Data" co= lumn (February's) Could you summarise the baud rates and frequency shifts= finally settled. There has been so much discussion and changes I lost tr= ack and haven't followed the latest version Andy www.g4jnt.com On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 13:50, Rik Strobbe > wrote: Dear all, I just uploaded a now beta-release of SlowJT9 (v0.9.10). The changes are - JT9-2 and JT9-5 parameters changed to the original ones. The slightly slo= wer baudrates make better advance of the transmission cycle. In theory this= should improve S/N by 0.46 dB for JT9-2 and 0.74 dB for JT9-5. Be aware that due to the baudrate changes there is NO BACKWARD COMPATIBILIT= Y for JT9-2 and JT9-5. In other words: JT9-2 and JT9-5 send with v0.9.10 cannot be decoded with pr= ior versions (v0.9.00 - v0.9.03) and vice versa. The JT9-1 mode however is still the same and can be sent / received with al= l versions (and is WSJT-X compatible). - JT9-10 mode (10 minute cycle) added, for the fearless. I briefly tested v0.9.10 for in JT9-2 mode and it seems to decode (at least= ) at the same level as for the previous versions. But to determine a differ= ence of 0.4dB, more extensive tests are needed. The sole purpose of this version is to determine how JT9-2, and eventually = JT9-5, behave in relation to the previous versions, so we can decide wether= SlowJT9 will proceed with the original parameters (anno 2013) that imply a= n odd baudrate ratio between the JT9 submodes or my previous parameters, wi= th "round number" ratios. Therefore all test reports, remarks, suggestions and opinions are most welc= ome. For the same reason no other changes are applied. Whoever is interested can download the SlowJT9 installation file at http://= 472khz.org/SlowJT9/SlowJT9_setup.exe. For now only a Windows version of SlowJT9 is available. But as the used IDE= has cross platform facilities it should be possible to support other opera= ting systems as well in the future. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T --_000_154272947841466158kuleuvenbe_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Andy,


I didn't do too much effort on error catching so far. I know from e= xperience that this is a labor intensive job and I fisrt want to figure out= if my SlowJT9 project is useful to the MF / LF community before going into= this.

The soundcard error you described can also be solved by deleting the Slo= wJT9.set file (in the same directory as the EXE). That way you can lau= nch SlowJT9 from scratch.


73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7Y


Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> namens Andy Talbot = <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>
Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:58
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
CC: rsgb_lf_group
Onderwerp: Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10)
 
There is also another problem which 'could' be connected to the no audio, s= omehow.

I unplugged the USB soundcard, then relaunched SlowJT9.   It had = previously been directed to the now unplugged USB S/Card but instead of wor= king out what to do and changing to the default (internal) S/C, it threw up= an access violation message and I had to quit.    This happened each time I tried to launch.  The on= ly solution was to plug the USB card back in, launch the programme and chan= ge the output soundcard to the internal one.



On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:47, Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope, Rik.&nb= sp; I had thought  of that and it's set to maximum

Just tested o= n my Desktop, and exactly the same problem.  No audio from the default= speakers.   So that's two PCs of different makes . Win versions = with teh same problem

I also tried = an external USB soundcard and directed the audio out to that.  Also so= sound (RH slider to max) 

I am getting = some irregular clicks occasionally, on the USB soundcard, and that also hap= pened on the laptop once or twice




On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 14:34, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@kuleuven.be> wrote:

Hello Andy,


the "power level" slider (at the right) is initially set to ze= ro. Maybe that is the reason for no audio.

I agree that this is confusing, but I have done this for safety reasons = (I don't want have any transmitter "blown" because of a too high = audio level).


73, Rik  ON7YD


Van: own= er-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= > namens Andy Talbot <andy.g4jnt@gmail.com>
Verzonden: dinsdag 20 november 2018 15:24
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
CC: rsgb_lf_group
Onderwerp: Re: LF: SlowJT9 update (v0.9.10)
 
Rik 

I just tried = installing this 0.9.10 version  on my Dell Inspiron laptop Win-10.&nbs= p; I set the soundcard correctly to  "Speakers / Headphones"= and Tx tone to 1200Hz ,  hit enable Tx then  the 'Tune' button.&= nbsp;  It shows as transmitting but there's no audio tone.    &nb= sp;WSJT-X and other datacomms packages are working fine, both before and af= ter trying

Normally don'= t get any issues like this with the default (the only) soundcard present.

I'll test on = my other two PCs,  an HP Desktop with Win 7 and HP Notebook

On a differen= t matter, I'll be writing this up in the next RadCom "Data" colum= n (February's)   Could you summarise the baud rates and frequency= shifts finally settled.   There has been so much discussion and changes I lost track and haven't followed the latest version
 


On Tue, 20 Nov 2018 at 13:50, Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@kuleuven.be> wrote:

Dear all,


I just uploaded a now beta-release of SlowJT9 (v0.9.10).

The changes are


- JT9-2 and JT9-5 parameters changed to the original ones. The slightly s= lower baudrates make better advance of the transmission cycle. In theory th= is should improve S/N by 0.46 dB for JT9-2 and 0.74 dB for JT9-5.

Be aware that due to the baudrate changes there is NO BACKWARD COMPATIB= ILITY for JT9-2 and JT9-5. 
In other words: JT9-2 and JT9-5 send with v0.9.10 cannot be decode= d with prior versions (v0.9.00 - v0.9.03) and vice versa.

The JT9-1 mode however is still the same and can be sent = / received with all versions (and is WSJT-X compatible).


- JT9-10 mode (10 minute cycle) added, for the fearless.


I briefly tested v0.9.10 for in JT9-2 mode and it seems t= o decode (at least) at the same level as for the previous versions.&nb= sp;But to determine a difference of 0.4dB, more extensive tests are needed.=

The sole purpose of this version is to determine how JT9-2, and = eventually JT9-5, behave in relation to the previous versions, so= we can decide wether SlowJT9 will proceed with the original parameters&nbs= p;(anno 2013) that imply an odd baudrate ratio between the JT9 submodes or my previous parameters, with "round numbe= r" ratios. 

Therefore all test reports, remarks, suggestions and opinions&nb= sp;are most welcome.

For the same reason no other changes are applied.


Whoever is interested can download the SlowJT9 installation file&nb= sp;at http://472khz.org/SlowJT9/SlowJT9_setup.exe.


For now only a Windows version of SlowJT9 is available. But as= the used IDE has cross platform facilities it should be possible to suppor= t other operating systems as well in the future.


73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T






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