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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Hi Roman,  The 1.6Hz ELF transmission came from Southern England, Unfortunately, because of the bad attitude of DF7FC and the others, the TX  details must now be with-held. That was a team decision. [...] Content analysis details: (0.0 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [77.238.179.147 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [77.238.179.147 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (evad_hine[at]yahoo.co.uk) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid X-Scan-Signature: b6696563999afa34e36d15007cae73e3 Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_26005582_1944968802.1547145453259" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,TO_ADDRESS_EQ_REAL autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false ------=_Part_26005582_1944968802.1547145453259 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Roman,=C2=A0 The 1.6Hz ELF transmission came from Southern England, Unfortunately, becau= se of the bad attitude of DF7FC and the others, the TX=C2=A0 details must now be with-held. That was a team decision. The screenshot was= sent to show that unlawful TX connexions to motorway=C2=A0 guard rails, railway infrastructure, electric / gas supply utilities and fe= nces etc. are totally unnecessary for the transmitting of ELF=C2=A0 signals.=C2=A0 These DO NOT make good VLF / ELF TX antennas (not designed for the job), an= d will only bring trouble to the perpetrators, and=C2=A0 disrepute to Amateur Radio. The RSGB and Ofcom would never condone this sor= t of illegal activity, as it's a form of trespassing, and=C2=A0 poses public risk, and even death, if it disrupts signalling / traffic sign= s etc.. I hope this makes sense, and any further crazy ideas in this direction canc= elled. With very kind regards, David =C2=A0 From: Roman To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2019, 17:46 Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA =20 Hello David! TNX info about 1.6 Hz TX! Please inform about details! Whats ant was used?=20 Power? Who was an Operator if this is no secret? 73! Roman, RW3ADB > Attached is a screenshot of an ELF test transmission on 1.6Hz from the UK= as received on a magnetometer in Sweden. You don't need >=20 > to break any laws, designed to keep roads and railways safe. To do so is = extremely irresponsible, and will damage the reputation of >=20 > Radio Amateurs. >=20 > Just have a suitable ELF TX method, David Hine >=20 > From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez > To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" > Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 18:35 > Subject: RE: VLF: GOTA >=20 > Seems that Mr.Tesla ghost surged again > J >=20 > By the way. We are still pending to see your signal bouncing around the e= arth. But obviously you are busy performing cops > games >=20 > and teaching the golden rules to anyone who dares to experiment. That sim= ply confirms what we tought about your promised >=20 > experiments in ELF. Absolute FAKE >=20 > N-I-L-L >=20 > N-I-C-H-T-S >=20 > N-A-D-A >=20 > N-I-E-N-T-E >=20 > That=E2=80=99s all you can contribute to this reflector. Your lawyer advi= ces sound nice, but we really don=E2=80=99t neew more lawyers > or spectrum regulators here >=20 > Anyway, you can write it in the instruction manual of your Tesla transmit= ting machine, when ready >=20 > Pioneering in ELF needs some courage that you (obviously) don=E2=80=99t h= ave at your elderly and bet, never had in your real life > (if any) >=20 > Please Mr.Tesla, make a favour to this reflector and just write back when= you be on air >=20 > 73 de Luis >=20 > EA5DOM >=20 > De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacks= heep.org] > En nombre de David Hine >=20 > Enviado el: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 09 de enero de 2019 9:58 >=20 > Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > Asunto: Re: VLF: GOTA >=20 > Stefan, with greatest respect, none of my radio activities are illegal. T= hey don't need to be. It's illegal in the UK to > use ANY public or other supply, motorway, railway and other utility infra= structure for connecting to unknown radio equipment. It must be the same in= Germany too. That's in the 'small print'. Modern digital signalling is oft= en very susceptible to RF interference. >=20 > If it's on private land, the permission of that land owner must first be = granted. >=20 > It's all common sense -would you like anyone to creep into your back yard= and erect an antenna without your permission?? >=20 > This sort of activity damages Amateur and experimental radio. NOV licence= s can be obtained, if you think you need to do > special or unusual radio researches. >=20 > I bet you dare not ask your local authority if you can use public road gu= ide rails for transmitting antennas -if you have, > and they granted full permission, then you have made a real advancement i= n radio. Ask your Radio Society what they think about this. >=20 > I am not trying to be difficult, but you risk your radio licence and also= risk jail if things go badly wrong on a public > highway or railway due to illicit use in this way, and also the reputatio= n of other Radio Amateurs. You also 'put yourself 'in the frame' if an acci= dent occurs that you did not cause -someone has to 'carry the can', and it = could be you if a camera 'spotted' > you. The 'utilities' display trespass notices, which if you ignore, makes= it extremely easy for them to say "See you in court!!". >=20 > With very kind regards, David Hine >=20 > From: DK7FC >=20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >=20 > Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 7:25 >=20 > Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA >=20 > Ooh you seem to be one of the experts when it comes to 'Do not' and 'forb= idden'. Do you at least know why your (whole?) life is controlled > by fears? Posttraumatic symptoms of a very dictatorial, violent childhood= ? I hope you worked that out. >=20 > Try to lead yourselfe by ideas and visions, by 'want to' or 'would like t= o', not by fear and 'must not', 'have to', 'should' and 'should not'. >=20 > Also i clearly see you didn't follow the recent successes with guide-rail= antennas on VLF and ULF, probably because you're tyrelessly working on you= r 'Tesla' TX antenna: >=20 > Am 10.02.2018 18:30, schrieb David Hine: >=20 >> I will also set up a broadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave br= oadcasting band (LF), using it to transmit music as a testing programme. >> >> When it's all up and running on VLF / LF, I will put out various test si= gnals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'. >=20 > That's almost a year ago. Now, where is the signal? W H E R E ?? Let's co= mpare which antenna works better. The grabbers are watching. >=20 > 73, Stefan >=20 > Am 08.01.2019 23:44, schrieb David Hine: >=20 >> Do not be tempted to use railway lines, motorway barriers, fences etc. f= or connection to radio transmitters. This is strictly >> forbidden, and >> >> if caught, you could end up in jail plus a huge fine. These structures a= ll make rubbish antennas for VLF, so will never >> perform well, as >> >> the losses are extremely high, and so will never radiate a useful VLF si= gnal. Never be tempted use any public 'infrastructure' >> as an >> >> antenna -it just does not work, and will be a waste of effort. >> >> Regards, David Hine >> >> From: DK7FC >> >> >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> >> Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2019, 22:26 >> >> Subject: VLF: GOTA >> >> Hi VLF, >> >> You probably know: >> >> IOTA - Islands On The Air >> >> SOTA - Summits On The Air >> >> but did you know >> >> GOTA - Guide-rails On The Air ??!! >> >> The year 2019 should be the year of GOTA! Try it out. You can do it! No >> >> excuses like problems with the large coils, the high voltages, the XYL >> >> occupying the garden. Just go out, take a walk, and see what you can do >> >> with some wire and a transmitter and some other equipment! :-) >> >> 73, Stefan --=20 73! Roman, RW3ADB =20 ------=_Part_26005582_1944968802.1547145453259 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi= Roman, 

The 1.6Hz ELF transmission came from Southern England, Unfortunately, beca= use of the bad attitude of DF7FC and the others, the TX 

details must now be with-= held. That was a team decision. The screenshot was sent to show that unlawf= ul TX connexions to motorway 

guard rails, railway infrastructure, electric / gas s= upply utilities and fences etc. are totally unnecessary for the transmittin= g of ELF 

signals. 

These DO NOT make good VLF / ELF TX antennas (not designed for the job= ), and will only bring trouble to the perpetrators, and 

disrepute to Amateur Radi= o. The RSGB and Ofcom would never condone this sort of illegal activity, as= it's a form of trespassing, and 

poses public risk, and even death, if it disrupts= signalling / traffic signs etc..

I hope this makes sense, and any further crazy ideas i= n this direction cancelled.

With very kind regards, David  


From:<= /b> Roman <rw3adb@YANDEX.ru>
Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2019, 17:46
Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA

H= ello David!

TNX info about 1.6 Hz TX!<= br clear=3D"none">
Please inform about details!
Whats ant was used?
Power?
W= ho was an Operator if this is no secret?

73!
Roman, RW3ADB


> Attached is a screensh= ot of an ELF test transmission on 1.6Hz from the UK as received on a magnet= ometer in Sweden. You don't need
>
= > to break any laws, designed to keep roads and railways safe. To do so = is extremely irresponsible, and will damage the reputation of
>
> Radio Amateurs.
> > Just have a suitable ELF TX method, David Hine
>
> From: VIGILANT Luis Fern=C3=A1ndez= <luis@vigilant.es>
> To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019, 18:35
>= ; Subject: RE: VLF: GOTA
>
> See= ms that Mr.Tesla ghost surged again
> J
>
> By the way. We are still pending to see yo= ur signal bouncing around the earth. But obviously you are busy performing = cops
> games
>
> and teaching the golden rules to anyone who dares to experiment. That= simply confirms what we tought about your promised
> =
> experiments in ELF. Absolute FAKE
>
> N-I-L-L
>
> N-I-C-H-T-S
>
> N-A-D-= A
>
> N-I-E-N-T-E
>
> That=E2=80=99s all you can contribute to t= his reflector. Your lawyer advices sound nice, but we really don=E2=80=99t = neew more lawyers
> or spectrum regulators here
>
> Anyway, you can write it in the in= struction manual of your Tesla transmitting machine, when ready
>
> Pioneering in ELF needs some courage th= at you (obviously) don=E2=80=99t have at your elderly and bet, never had in= your real life
> (if any)
>
> Please Mr.Tesla, make a favour to this reflector and ju= st write back when you be on air
>
= > 73 de Luis
>
> EA5DOM
>
> De: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= ]
> En nombre de David Hine
>=
> Enviado el: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 09 de enero de 2019 9:= 58
>
> Para: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Asunto: Re: VLF: GOTA
>
> Stefan, with greatest respect, none of my radio activities = are illegal. They don't need to be. It's illegal in the UK to
> use ANY public or other supply, motorway, railway and other utili= ty infrastructure for connecting to unknown radio equipment. It must be the= same in Germany too. That's in the 'small print'. Modern digital signallin= g is often very susceptible to RF interference.
>
> If it's on private land, the permission of that land ow= ner must first be granted.
>
> I= t's all common sense -would you like anyone to creep into your back yard an= d erect an antenna without your permission??
>
> This sort of activity damages Amateur and experimental rad= io. NOV licences can be obtained, if you think you need to do
> special or unusual radio researches.
>
> I bet you dare not ask your local authority if you can u= se public road guide rails for transmitting antennas -if you have,
> and they granted full permission, then you have made a real = advancement in radio. Ask your Radio Society what they think about this.>
> I am not trying to be difficul= t, but you risk your radio licence and also risk jail if things go badly wr= ong on a public
> highway or railway due to illicit us= e in this way, and also the reputation of other Radio Amateurs. You also 'p= ut yourself 'in the frame' if an accident occurs that you did not cause -so= meone has to 'carry the can', and it could be you if a camera 'spotted'
> you. The 'utilities' display trespass notices, which if= you ignore, makes it extremely easy for them to say "See you in court!!".<= br clear=3D"none">>
> With very kind regards, Davi= d Hine
>
> From: DK7FC <selberdenken@posteo.de>
> > To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
>
> Sent: We= dnesday, 9 January 2019, 7:25
>
>= ; Subject: Re: VLF: GOTA
>
> Ooh= you seem to be one of the experts when it comes to 'Do not' and 'forbidden= '. Do you at least know why your (whole?) life is controlled
> by fears? Posttraumatic symptoms of a very dictatorial, violent ch= ildhood? I hope you worked that out.
>
> Try to lead yourselfe by ideas and visions, by 'want to' or 'would= like to', not by fear and 'must not', 'have to', 'should' and 'should not'= .
>
> Also i clearly see you did= n't follow the recent successes with guide-rail antennas on VLF and ULF, pr= obably because you're tyrelessly working on your 'Tesla' TX antenna:
>
> Am 10.02.2018 18:30, schrieb David= Hine:
>
>> I will also set u= p a broadcast (AM Modulated) signal in the Long Wave broadcasting band (LF)= , using it to transmit music as a testing programme.
>= >
>> When it's all up and running on VLF / LF, I= will put out various test signals using it, and join in the VLF 'fun'.
>
> That's almost a year ago. Now, = where is the signal? W H E R E ?? Let's compare which antenna works better.= The grabbers are watching.
>
> = 73, Stefan
>
> Am 08.01.2019 23:= 44, schrieb David Hine:
>
>> = Do not be tempted to use railway lines, motorway barriers, fences etc. for = connection to radio transmitters. This is strictly
>&g= t; forbidden, and
>>
>> if = caught, you could end up in jail plus a huge fine. These structures all mak= e rubbish antennas for VLF, so will never
>> perfor= m well, as
>>
>> the losses= are extremely high, and so will never radiate a useful VLF signal. Never b= e tempted use any public 'infrastructure'
>> as an<= br clear=3D"none">>>
>> antenna -it just does= not work, and will be a waste of effort.
>>
>> Regards, David Hine
>>
>> From: DK7FC
>> <selberdenken@posteo.de>
>>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group= @blacksheep.org
>>
>> S= ent: Tuesday, 8 January 2019, 22:26
>>
>> Subject: VLF: GOTA
>>
>> Hi VLF,
>>
>> = You probably know:
>>
>> IO= TA - Islands On The Air
>>
>&g= t; SOTA - Summits On The Air
>>
&= gt;> but did you know
>>
>&= gt; GOTA - Guide-rails On The Air ??!!
>>
>> The year 2019 should be the year of GOTA! Try it out. Yo= u can do it! No
>>
>> excus= es like problems with the large coils, the high voltages, the XYL
>>
>> occupying the garden. Just go= out, take a walk, and see what you can do
>>
>> with some wire and a transmitter and some other equip= ment! :-)
>>
>> 73, Stefan<= br clear=3D"none">--
73!

Roman, = RW3ADB



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